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Old 08-27-2011, 09:02 AM   #281
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The best thing with this so far is it will satisfy 75% of the Gencoupe community who are driving their car as a DD. Quick spool with such possible high HP for the announced price...

Honestly, what else can we hope for. I truly wish this project end up well and as expected. This would be incredible.
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1st off kudos Joseph (cdnsigop) for taking this project on & bringing it to life. Not to overlook others that have also conrtibuted, thank you too.

This is the 1st turbo charged car I've ever owned & have been researching my ass of to learn as much about trubos as possible over the past couple of years. I ran across info on the TD04HL-19t about a year ago when comparing flow maps on about every turbo ever designed & thought to myself that this would make the perfect option for Stage2 of my build, but there wasn't a plug & play solution for the GenCoupe. I'm definately not knowlegable enough about turbos myself to make something like this happen, so I continued looking for something to fill my needs for my DD/WW until my car finally becomes a dedicated racecar. I thought alot about the BR upgrade, but wanted a little more kick than what it offered. I had finally decided to give the TD05-18G a try as it would get the #s I wanted & MAP happens to be a sponsor of mine.

But with this option now out there with its ease of installment & the price point being what it is, this is a no brainer & definatley more than enough power for a DD. I admit that I will probably be looking for a little more power down the road, but with everything I plan on doing in addition to this mod, I'm pretty sure I can get this thing to perform at the upper edge of the spectrum. If that is true, I may not even feel the need to upgrade to a GTX30 series turbo. I still plan to build the bottom end of my block using forged internals & going all out on the head including a 5 angle port job & cams, but may skip on the bore/stroking as this smaller turbo won't need it the way the GTX30 would. Therefore I would save a fortune on: 1) bumping displacement up to a 2.4L, 2) sleeving, 3) tubular manifold, etc....

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Turbo pricing:

This service costs $590, Canadians pay in CAD, Americans in USD.

The factory turbo is a TD04L-13T, in a 6cm turbine housing. As delivered from Hyundai, this turbo is capable of ~270 crankshaft hp. Our upgrade service involves fitting the TD04HL turbine, along with the ~380 hp capable 19T compressor wheel. The factory Hyundai turbine and compressor housings are precision machined to fit the new internals. From the outside, no one (including Hyundai) will know about the beast that lurks within. The ULTIMATE sleeper setup.


Due to the overwhelming interest, and repeated customer requests, we now offer some options with our turbo upgrade:

1. Broken stud removal:

If you have broken studs in your turbine housing, and dont feel like removing them (or cant) we can remove them, at $15 flat rate/stud.

2. GrimmSpeed Porting/Ceramic Coating Service:

We have partnered with GrimmSpeed to work their porting magic on the compressor and turbine housings. We also offer their excellent ceramic coating services on all our upgrade turbo's. The ceramic coating GrimmSpeed offers has a lifetime warranty! These options are available while your turbo is with us. We will ship your turbo from our California facility, to GrimmSpeed in Minneapolis, MN. Once port/ceramic services are completed, your turbo will be shipped back to you direct from GrimmSpeed. Porting: $250. Ceramic coating: $50. Shipping back to you: $25

3. Extrude Hone Turbine Housing:

If you would like more top end power potential, we can send the stock 6cm turbine housing out to Extrude Hone for them to work their magic. This will increase gas flow through the turbine housing by 10-20%. This is a VERY good efficiency upgrade, without hurting spool. Will allow the full potential of the 38 lb/min 19T to be harnessed. $160 shipped.

4. ATP BPV Block Off Plate:

Deletes stock BPV for those with an external BOV. $20 Shipped

5. ATP 1 Bar Wastegate Actuator:

Raises base boost from the factory 5 psi actuator to 12-14 psi (adjustable). Maintains a consistent boost curve, with much less 'Hunt' than the factory actuator. Highly recommended with turbo upgrade. $95 Shipped

6. ATP 3" o2 Housing/Primary Cat Delete:

Dyno results show as much as 20whp gains!! Even more can be expected with turbo upgrade. Faster spool as well! For off road use ONLY. $195 Shipped


More available. See the entire ATP Genesis line here:

Hyundai GenesisCoupe 2.0T : atpturbo.com


So the price is $590 w/core......I will send you a pm to get an idea of shipping to Georgia.

Over the past year it seems my car has been down as much as it has been running LoL, so I think I can do w/o my turbo for a while in order to geterdone.

1) I've got plenty of turbo studs (I stocked up after finding how easily they strip/break) since I work at the dealership.

2) My turbo (as well as IM & EM) have already been P&P along with ceramic coating.

3) Not sure if MAP extrude honed my turbine housing while they did the P&P, so may want this done.

4) Already have a Buschur blockoff plate

5) I will be using a Forged BOV

6) I already have CP-e DP w/Hi-flow cat, but have SS pipe from CP-e with which to delete primary cat (WOT box eats cats like no bodies business), but waiting until I'm ready to tune prior to deleting primary cat.

7) I already have PowerX module with which to tune sitting in a box along w/EvoX injectors & Synapse Synchronic BOV. I will be mounting BOV on cold pipe of Buschur FMIC piping.


So looks like the $590 TD04HL-19t turbo upgrade & possible extrude honing is all I need, along with shipping of course. That is still less than the TD05-18G option I was going to go with.

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So the price is $590 w/core......I will send you a pm to get an idea of shipping to Georgia.
Return shipping is included in the price! You Paypal us, and ship to our turbo facility in San Bernardino, California. Turn around time is 3-5 business days. Once work is complete, we take care of return shipping, via UPS or Fedex ground (faster options are available, at customers expense). Turbo comes to you fully remanufactured, rebuilt to NEW specs, 6 month warranty, and new crush washers and oil return gasket, for reinstallation. $590 is the flat rate, and includes shipping to most of Canada, and most of the USA.

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1) I've got plenty of turbo studs (I stocked up after finding how easily they strip/break) since I work at the dealership.

2) My turbo (as well as IM & EM) have already been P&P along with ceramic coating.

3) Not sure if MAP extrude honed my turbine housing while they did the P&P, so may want this done.
Studs will come in handy, as I have not found a supplier Im happy with.

P&P on the turbine housing will really help. I have an arrangement with GrimmSpeed, where they port the turbine housings to my specifications. The turbine housing port service they would complete for me is less aggressive than what they do with stock turbos...

Most places do not Extrude Hone. It is expensive, and requires shipping the component(s) from you to them, and back from them to you, at your expense. I would be very impressed if MAP had that completed for you.

Extrude Hone is able to remove material where you cant with standard port jobs. They also bring the surface finish from the rough cast to nearly a glass smooth service, along with opening up the ENTIRE passage being serviced. Their method, along with their very careful measurements, means the turbine housing is NOT suceptible to cracking as a result. They end up removing approx 1mm from the entire circumference...


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7) I already have PowerX module with which to tune sitting in a box along w/EvoX injectors & Synapse Synchronic BOV. I will be mounting BOV on cold pipe of Buschur FMIC piping.
Great, BBB can supply you with a tune for your module. If you are running the Synapse DV/BOV, I HIGHLY recommend you find a way to recirculate the discharge back to the front of the compressor inlet... Even Synapse recommends running it this way.

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So looks like the $590 TD04HL-19t turbo upgrade & possible extrude honing is all I need. That is still less than the TD05-18G option I was going to go with.
LOL Fixed. Shipping included! My impression is that you will be MUCH happier with the TD04HL-19T-6 upgrade than the TD05H-18G-8 for the purposes of a DD...

Thanks for the Kudos. I dont deserve it! I did not reinvent the wheel, guys! I just pursued what others have abandoned. The 19T is an upgrade superstar on some other platforms. I simply applied logic and experience, and brought this turbo combination back from the dead on our Genesis platform...

I decided their was no reason to swat a fly with a sledgehammer...
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Ugh, my wallet (and GF) are really not liking you guys right now. But all joking aside, i really cant wait to see this puppy in action with some proper tunes and a dyno.
Hey BBB, you thinking about also creating an E85 for those of us that will be looking in that direction?
E85 is a very special tune considering that i'd have to have a car running E85
with all the fueling needs(return system, pressure regulated system etc..) to
create tunes on and currently no one in South Florida is running E85 for now....

With that said i believe down the road(next 3 months or so) i should have the
ability to tune up E85 for this turbo upgrade, but to be honest it's not really
needed, 350whp can be had using 91/93 no problems.
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Great, BBB can supply you with a tune for your module.
PowerAxel module tunes for this upgrade will cost the following
New PowerAxel Module + tune($749)
Your own PowerAxel module for your car(you already own) + tune $150.00

If you have a module that you bought used and it's locked contact Arvin to
get it unlocked and then contact me and i will get you the tune.

If you already own a module and it's already locked to your car, i can remote
control your computer and put the required tunes on your module, this also goes
for the locked modules after you have had Arvin unlock your module.
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E85 is a very special tune considering that i'd have to have a car running E85
with all the fueling needs(return system, pressure regulated system etc..) to
create tunes on and currently no one in South Florida is running E85 for now....

With that said i believe down the road(next 3 months or so) i should have the
ability to tune up E85 for this turbo upgrade, but to be honest it's not really
needed, 350whp can be had using 91/93 no problems.
Oh, i dont doubt that at all. E85 is just another option i would like to have given i only get 91 around here unless i want to start mixing my own fuel. The price of Toluene and Xylene have gone up since my friends got into this some 10 years ago. Now a gal of Xylene would run me ~$12-16 and would net me shy of 93 on a full tank. E85 is a more appealing option for me due to its availability.

I know there is some debate on if the entire fuel system would need to be switched out as i know a few people who run it in their STI's with no mods(other than pump and injectors) while others wouldnt touch it until after all is said and done. I still havent gotten a definitive answer, but i would rather be safe than have my car stranded, or worse yet, on fire.

While im extremely interested in this upgrade, my funds will not allow for it until at least next year. Or should i say the GF wont allow the funds until next year. lol So waiting 3 months is no problem for me. Gives me time to get parts together in preparation.
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Just an update on more pictures of this wonderful upgrade!







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Thanks BBB for the studio shots!!
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Update:

Smoke is currently getting tuned with SFR. He was one of the original 3 test pilots...

he gave me the results of 2 of his runs SO FAR:

226 whp at 10 psi
257 whp at 15 psi


Still waiting on his final results. I want to see his 20 psi numbers!

This turbo is maxed out at approx 29 psi. The target boost for a DD with this upgrade should be around 20 psi, +/- 2 psi. This turbo will still be very nice and efficient on our Genesis up to around 25 psi...
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Smoke is currently getting tuned with SFR. He was one of the original 3 test pilots...

he gave me the results of 2 of his runs SO FAR:

226 whp at 10 psi
257 whp at 15 psi


Still waiting on his final results. I want to see his 20 psi numbers!

This turbo is maxed out at approx 29 psi. The target boost for a DD with this upgrade should be around 20 psi, +/- 2 psi. This turbo will still be very nice and efficient on our Genesis up to around 25 psi...
this is good! Looks like jay will have a copy of his tune, when I get mine done!
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I WANNa see 25psi!
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Roughly 5hp per psi increase? Will that stay static? Looking like he'll hit about 290 at 20psi.
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Nice work guys!

Do you think the stock engine internals can handle 25psi?
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Nice work guys!

Do you think the stock engine internals can handle 25psi?
I've pushed 26psi into my engine before. it's still alive and well.
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Nice work guys!

Do you think the stock engine internals can handle 25psi?
My rough calculations today got me a couple numbers. Those numbers showed an expected (conservative) 350 crank hp, at 24.6 psi. That was based on a 2.0L engine, at 12:1 AFR, .55 BSFC, with a 38.5 lb/min compressor. The 19T can be pushed hard, to the tune of 41.8 lb/min, at the bleeding edge. At that output, crank hp theoretically can reach beyond 380 hp. Pushing the turbo that hard is NOT RECOMMENDED WITH THE STOCK INTERCOOLER. YOU NEED TO HAVE A VERY EFFICIENT INTERCOOLER (something with a Garrett core) TO MAKE UP FOR AN INEFFICIENT COMPRESSOR. THE 19T, WHEN PUSHED TO THE BLEEDING EDGE, IS INEFFICIENT, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER COMPRESSOR.

Back to your original question; IMO, the internals will handle the boost just fine, so long as the tune is done properly, correct fuel is used, and so on. We are talking 280-340 whp, and many have pushed the Theta farther than that...

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my engine still holding up after one month @ 20psi on a gt30 turbo so i think i may be a good example of that :P
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