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post #41 of 626 Old 10-04-2011, 05:37 PM
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I'm probably going to get the AGP one, how does that one get mounted, and does it come with a mount? Also, is it better to do it on the driver side, or passenger side? And does it come with an install sheet? ..I'm not entirely sure how to install it on driver side...

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I did the install video this evening.. lost my camera cord though so I can't get it off my camera.. hopefully I'll have it edited and uploaded soon, stay posted for a link in this thread to my video.
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Which components i.e. IC, Intake would get hit the worst w/ the excess oil blowing by? And is there a way to clean them?

I only ask.... cause I never installed my catch can and I'm worried it might be all jacked up in there.
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Great information as always Snoopy! I know what is going on my to buy list next.

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The intake but it is easy to clean. The problem area is the valves.

And if you are ingesting the oil through the PCV lines this is lowering the effective octane of the fuel.

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The intake but it is easy to clean. The problem area is the valves.

And if you are ingesting the oil through the PCV lines this is lowering the effective octane of the fuel.
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Which components i.e. IC, Intake would get hit the worst w/ the excess oil blowing by? And is there a way to clean them?

I only ask.... cause I never installed my catch can and I'm worried it might be all jacked up in there.
as Red said it's the valves that would be the problem area, but unless you run garbage fuel and have 150,000 km on your car you should be fine. Run a injector cleaner with your next full tank after installing the catch can and it'll help clean up the valves, but again, if you've got relatively low km's I'd just install the can and leave it be.
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Hey Snoop, my friend's got an ISF and he keeps asking me about my catch can ever since I showed him the **** that's built up in mine. I'll point him to this thread explaining why I need one since you did a much better job of esplaining. Since the ISF is NA, does he need a catch can too or are they just for FI cars?

EDIT: OK I admit I'm lazy. I just went back and read the whole front page. I'll reiterate for anyone who's as lazy as I. Catch can's / separators / recovery systems are for every car except those few with an external EGR... right Snoopy?

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If it is pertinent to have such a CC setup - how come the vehicle manufacturers are not installing these when the vehicle is built?

I mean, if what is being said is true, that what is being caught is "harmful" to the engine - wouldn't such a detrimental occurance be worked out by the Engineers designing the engine - more so, wouldn't they install factroy CC's as far as to prevent future "warranty" issues, if the contaminents can harm the engine?

Just looking for more insight...

Also, does anyone know of any vehicle manufactured in the US or overseas, be it a high end model or mid grade that comes from the factory w/ a built in CC setup?

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There is no reason to not put a catch can on a vehicle. Manufacturer's don't because it'd just be another thing for the consumer to maintain (dealers have enough issues with people even showing up for their oil changes) and if it gets too full it could cause an issue.. hence.. empty it at least every 5000km.
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If it is pertinent to have such a CC setup - how come the vehicle manufacturers are not installing these when the vehicle is built?

I mean, if what is being said is true, that what is being caught is "harmful" to the engine - wouldn't such a detrimental occurance be worked out by the Engineers designing the engine - more so, wouldn't they install factroy CC's as far as to prevent future "warranty" issues, if the contaminents can harm the engine?

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The only engines I know of that have oil recovery systems are generator stations (think like warships or locomotives) and they are used for recovering as much oil as possible to shorten service intervals. I don't know of a single car that comes from factory with a catch can.

Thanks Jimmy for answering Cobra.

You can install a catch can on a vehicle with an external EGR or internal EGR, sorry if it's been interpreted otherwise. What I was trying to say is do not put a catch can ON the external EGR system itself. The exhaust gasses that travel through an EGR system are hot enough to ignite raw fuel and oil vapors that would be present in a catch can and the hoses themselves that would be attached to it.

I should also note that external EGR systems are rare and not on ANY modern engine, I mentioned it just for the sake of completition.
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will its cause any problems if i dump both sides into the same catch can? I have the necessary parts to do it

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If you replace the pipes, could you just get a Y spliter and also have a CAI installed below the airbox? Can the turbo/ engine handle that much air flow?

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That's what I do, just so long as the can never sees boost, ie. don't connect it to the intake manifold port unless you put a check valve in that's rated for about 25psi.
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That's what I do, just so long as the can never sees boost, ie. don't connect it to the intake manifold port unless you put a check valve in that's rated for about 25psi.
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The Ford EcoBoost V6 twin turbos have a PCV scrubber system. It dumps the oil and whatnot back into the oil pan.

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The Ford EcoBoost V6 twin turbos have a PCV scrubber system. It dumps the oil and whatnot back into the oil pan.
Does it? That's pretty awesome actually. I haven't even seen an EcoBoost yet aside from staring at the hood of a Taurus SHO.

There you have it folks, Ford offers a recovery system on their EcoBoost v6. Scrubber systems are fairly decent, the only thing I don't like is the fuel aspect.. it thins the oil, does it to our Alco's too.
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The way it's set up on the Fords is in the block under the intake. It's the typical oil separator setup but has some steel wool like material and a drain to the block. This connects to the intake manifold. So I would assume anything that is a gas such as gasoline will just pass on through.

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If I ever get a chance to play with an EcoBoost I'm totally going to check that out, I'm really suprised Ford did that, they're really stepping up their game since I worked for them.
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I was a V8 SHO guru and Ford invited us to the rollout for the new SHO at the Chicago Car Show a couple of years ago. On the V8 it had a wet intake valve and a dry one as the FI only sprayed onto one valve. The dry one would coke up and sometimes stick or pop the head off the valve. Of course this FUBARED the motor.

I developed a unique catch can setup that I called a condensation car. This is my idea incorporated into the actual motor.

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