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California Emissions (CARB?)

Anyone know if any of our exhausts pass CA emissions or if it is CARB exempt? How would a consumer be able to tell if it is? Specifically, I am looking at the cp-e downpipe with HFC.

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Not legal in California.
Anything that replaces, relocates, removes (all the re- words ) the catalytic convertors, needs a CARB EO number to be legal and is not exempt.
Anything that modifies air or fuel needs a CARB EO number.
An axle- or cat-back exhaust is exempt because it is after the emissions equipment.
This is what is legal straight from ARB (CARB) for your reading pleasure: Database: Aftermarket Parts Database of Executive Orders

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Not legal in California.
Anything that replaces, relocates, removes (all the re- words ) the catalytic convertors, needs a CARB EO number to be legal and is not exempt.
Anything that modifies air or fuel needs a CARB EO number.
An axle- or cat-back exhaust is exempt because it is after the emissions equipment.
This is what is legal straight from ARB (CARB) for your reading pleasure: Database: Aftermarket Parts Database of Executive Orders

I've lived in Socal all my life and have been modifying cars for the last 15 years.
Where do you find out if it has a CARB EO #? that website?
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No equipment has a OE# except the injen stuff IIRC (probably thinking of another company)

I hate CARB. its run and regulated by people that know just about nothing about cars.
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Just put your stock parts back on before your emmision test, pay a mechanic off (if you know someone) or just put alcohol in your tank before doing the test (make sure you remove the gas after the test, not good to run for long). All these options will make you pass.

These test do nothing but make money for the government and garage.
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Even though it isn't legal it shouldn't stop you from an exhaust. First off were from California home of the crooks. From cops down to smog shops. Get the exhaust you want take it too a smog shop and fork over around 160 dolla and both you and the smogs man walk away happy
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Even though it isn't legal it shouldn't stop you from an exhaust. First off were from California home of the crooks. From cops down to smog shops. Get the exhaust you want take it too a smog shop and fork over around 160 dolla and both you and the smogs man walk away happy
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Lol got to love California
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+1000 I have no cats and no problems lol
Only things keeping me from catless are potential dealer problems
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I hate CARB. its run and regulated by people that know just about nothing about cars.
Big government at work. SOOOooooo glad I live in Florida!

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What are the dealers going to say though? They won't change your oil cause you have An aftermarket exhaust? Or they might void warranty? Or possibly wjile there changing your brakes they notice your exhaust and wont change them. Of course not because none of them have anything to do with them. People in all kinds of states including Cali have no cats and no problems due to their cars Besides the lame cel light. I don't think you have any worrys bro.
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What are the dealers going to say though? They won't change your oil cause you have An aftermarket exhaust? Or they might void warranty? Or possibly wjile there changing your brakes they notice your exhaust and wont change them. Of course not because none of them have anything to do with them. People in all kinds of states including Cali have no cats and no problems due to their cars Besides the lame cel light. I don't think you have any worrys bro.
Oh I could've sworn that catless basically meant a voided warranty.

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From what I understand they cant void just because it being catless because it seems irrelevant to let's say if the transmission fails, they would have to point the problem to your exhaust for it to be voided. An worse case scenario you swap the old exhaust back on before taking it to the dealer if it's a serous problem ya know what I mean?
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if you fail inspection, then they tell you to fix the problem and test again.
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No equipment has a OE# except the injen stuff IIRC (probably thinking of another company)

I hate CARB. its run and regulated by people that know just about nothing about cars.
My secondary high flow cat from ur has an eo stamped into the side of it, it's the metal version.

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who makes it and is it made specifically for the genesis coupe?

OE# are engine specific.

But in honesty, they won't bother to look up OE# for cats, they just pretty much check to see if there are 2 there.

Only thing that a cat back has to pass, are noise ordinance regulation
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who makes it and is it made specifically for the genesis coupe?

OE# are engine specific.

But in honesty, they won't bother to look up OE# for cats, they just pretty much check to see if there are 2 there.

Only thing that a cat back has to pass, are noise ordinance regulation
I'm not sure who manufactured it, check with the guys at ur. It may be easier to get the eo for the rear cat.

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who makes it and is it made specifically for the genesis coupe?

OE# are engine specific.

But in honesty, they won't bother to look up OE# for cats, they just pretty much check to see if there are 2 there.

Only thing that a cat back has to pass, are noise ordinance regulation
I've heard that people have cat shells on their pipes to make it look like they have cats. Any info on this? Sounds like a good precaution.

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Silencer delete
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ATP 3" O2 housing
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Fix exhaust leak AGAIN
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Yes, the site lists all CARB-approved application. EO is car specific. The EO # on the cat is probably a generic cat on a gc-specific piece of pipe. Smog shops won't care. If they see a cat and it passes the sniffer, that is the extent of their curiosity. If you are at a state ref, the EO # must match the car/engine approved for.

Dealer problems are not a concern unless they red flag your car for assumed abuse (hard driving, racing, etc) and it will be near impossible to get warrant work for related problems. The problem with engine mods like downpipes, tuners, etc is it can be connected to the most expensive warranty repairs (engine and trans) and will still comply with the moss-magnuson act. They can associate running catless with engine problems, transmission problems, and cel issues. If you must go catless, either switch the parts back before service or find a dealer that doesn't care.

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