PRW's TD04HL-19T Users CMD (or similar) tuning thread

[Rspecwhite]

Originally Posted by ecarca

I'm running on OEM plugs right now. I know it is not a very good idea. We don't have any of the references in China of what I had in mind:

Denso Iridium Power Spark plug #9
or / NGK Part#: LFR7AIX #2309

I don't know if I feel like shipping spark plugs from the US LOL

I ran the ngk's for a while, then went back to stock plugs. Had misfire/spark blowout with the ngk's.

[elementrider87]

I am running the NGK's right now and ive not had any problems..but im going to regap them

[turboflagship]

so do we have a canned tune for the 19t yet?

[ecarca]

BBB (William) at PRW has one, get in touch with him.

[ecarca]

Here is useful info posted by Rspecwhite in another thread:

Originally Posted by Rspecwhite

Actually, I was running mine at 30 for a while. The problem is if you make over 20psi below around 3300 rpm, you get surge. The motor cant handle all the air that the turbo is pushing at that point. I have had this issue for some time, but just have learned to drive around it for now.

And my answer to that and question to Joseph, regarding the previous idea I had to turn up the boost at 22 psi:

Originally Posted by ecarca

Correct me if I'm wrong but the V2 will somehow address that surge issue that Rspecwhite is talking about, right?
I never had the problem but as you know I run 20 psi flat.
I had the idea to increase to 22 at 2700 and taper to 20 at redline after the clutch is in. So if it surges from 2700 to 3300 at over 20 psi, then the only way would be to target 20 at 2700, then say 22 around 3500 and slowly back down to 20. What is your opinion on that?

This is important information to pay attention to!

[cdnsigop]

The V2 should FORCE a very slight spool decrease, while adding a bit more flow capability. The extra flow capability should allow the engine to take in a bit more CFM at a given boost level, while the slower spool should make it easier to avoid that surge region. I get some surge as well with my 18G, its something that needs to be tuned around. Run less boost thru the surge prone ranges, and you will be good to go.

[essohdee]

Originally Posted by cdnsigop

The V2 should FORCE a very slight spool decrease, while adding a bit more flow capability. The extra flow capability should allow the engine to take in a bit more CFM at a given boost level, while the slower spool should make it easier to avoid that surge region. I get some surge as well with my 18G, its something that needs to be tuned around. Run less boost thru the surge prone ranges, and you will be good to go.

Wb and what do you think of the 16g is it as laggy as the 18g or does the smaller wheel help a bit

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[ecarca]

Originally Posted by cdnsigop

The V2 should FORCE a very slight spool decrease, while adding a bit more flow capability. The extra flow capability should allow the engine to take in a bit more CFM at a given boost level, while the slower spool should make it easier to avoid that surge region. I get some surge as well with my 18G, its something that needs to be tuned around. Run less boost thru the surge prone ranges, and you will be good to go.

Thanks Joseph. I am still a spool extremist, so I am very happy with my V1 and don't plan on upgrading LOL. If V1 is still for sale, that's probably the version I will recommend to Chinese potential customers, except if you advise otherwise.

What is your surge experience with the 19T? Same as Rspecwhite? Over 20 psi at under 3300? Please share.

I did not experience any surge with the 20psi boost map posted earlier. I am not sure about Rspecwhite setup but I have no cats and extrude hone, that might be one reason if he does not have the same setup (no idea). Also I am on stock air box, that could play in creating a restriction, not sure...

[cdnsigop]

Originally Posted by essohdee

Wb and what do you think of the 16g is it as laggy as the 18g or does the smaller wheel help a bit

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The 16G should spool slightly sooner than the 18G. The real cause of the slower response on those turbo's is the 8cm turbine housing, with the TD05H turbine. All relative of course. My 18G is off the car as of today. TD04HL-19T V2 is on. 15 psi. Will not be going to an 8cm TD05H on this car again.

Originally Posted by ecarca

Thanks Joseph. I am still a spool extremist, so I am very happy with my V1 and don't plan on upgrading LOL. If V1 is still for sale, that's probably the version I will recommend to Chinese potential customers, except if you advise otherwise.

What is your surge experience with the 19T? Same as Rspecwhite? Over 20 psi at under 3300? Please share.

I did not experience any surge with the 20psi boost map posted earlier. I am not sure about Rspecwhite setup but I have no cats and extrude hone, that might be one reason if he does not have the same setup (no idea). Also I am on stock air box, that could play in creating a restriction, not sure...

Hey Emmanuel,

I can always build V1's, if given enough notice before hand. All of my stock is now V2's, except for one that isnt built yet. As of today, I have the V2 on my car, and let me tell you its FANTASTIC. I notice no spool loss, and if there is any, it is absolutely minimal. The top end feels as potent as the 18G at same boost, and in this below freezing weather, 15 psi is bloody fast, and enough to put the clutch on the threshold of slip... I recommend the V2 for all who would have had the V1 in the first place, to be totally honest! It is truly worth it. I believe it is the perfect balance of response/power capability/value, for a street driven Genesis on stock internals.

I did experience surge above 20 psi at lower rpm with the TD04HL-19T V1. I ended up turning boost down to save the clutch before I could test many combinations. My 18G also surged, around 4000-4500 at ~16-17 psi..

[elementrider87]

Oh man im so excited...hearing all this good news! So do you believe it is a definite gain going from V1 TO V2? Once i get my car up and running..and the Dyno Man finishes building his DynoJet in town I will gladly post my charts. I am almost positive I will reach the numbers I want(325WHP 345WTQ) but even if I don't quite get them Im sure I will be happier then a fat kid at Candy Camp!

[Mira2White]

You will be happier then a fat kid at his BDAY! I'm so excited for you!

[elementrider87]

Originally Posted by 2.0T Mirabeau

You will be happier then a fat kid at his BDAY! I'm so excited for you!

All that CAKE!!!!= all that BOOST lol. thank you.

[Kolk1]

My dyno session got delayed a couple days. I used to be sponsored by the shop back when I was big into drag racing with my Camaro. I had him tune my car when I was basically stock with CMD, so im eager to get back and see the difference. I was supposed to get tuned yesterday, but I could tell he was slammed, and behind a little, so I told him I could wait until early next week. Also my new/real HKS will be here today. So as a just in case, I wouldnt mind my $20 fake HKS being off the car when we tune. His dyno does read low compared to other local dynos, so Im not looking for high numbers, but I am looking for huge gains. lol Im just hoping to be over 300whp/325wtq on his dyno. That would put me at around 75whp gain, and 65wtq over my 20lb CMD tune. If I can get 325hp/350tq on his dyno, that would be amazing.

[elementrider87]

...Ill do the HORSEPOWER dance for you too

[ecarca]

Originally Posted by cdnsigop

As of today, I have the V2 on my car, and let me tell you its FANTASTIC. I notice no spool loss, and if there is any, it is absolutely minimal. The top end feels as potent as the 18G at same boost, and in this below freezing weather, 15 psi is bloody fast, and enough to put the clutch on the threshold of slip... I recommend the V2 for all who would have had the V1 in the first place, to be totally honest! It is truly worth it. I believe it is the perfect balance of response/power capability/value, for a street driven Genesis on stock internals.

Good news. You make me consider upgrading now
Can you post your CMD logs when you have something stable. It'd be great to compare the spool up and the rest.
For power and torque, unfortunately only dyno graphs would be useful to compare. There's no graph of a V1 at 20 psi flat or higher from what I know.
It would be good in these conditions to have a V2 dyno graph with the same boost BBB was running the V1.
Anyway, these are exciting news!!!

Can't wait to see what will be achieved by the soon to be dynoed cars!

[2.0T_R-Spec]

so this is like hondata?

[elementrider87]

Originally Posted by 2.0T_R-Spec

so this is like hondata?

Wrong Forum.

[2.0T_R-Spec]

talking about the sytem like can you control the fuel/boost/cam timing etc and add maps ?

[elementrider87]

Originally Posted by 2.0T_R-Spec

talking about the sytem like can you control the fuel/boost/cam timing etc and add maps ?

Thats the CMD Combustion Management Device.
Dynojet Combustion Management Device Product Downloads / Accessories / Buy Options

[cris90]

Originally Posted by elementrider87

Thats the CMD Combustion Management Device.
Dynojet Combustion Management Device Product Downloads / Accessories / Buy Options

only can control boost and fuel. not timing. you need Haltech for that