FlesHBoX

that has never stopped people from doing it though, lol There comes a point when it no longer is about moving at all, in fact it is about being strapped down so that the thing doesn't move, and having that ultimate compensator

That being said, I see nothing wrong with the challenge of pushing a motor to it's max.

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Kevin DSM guy

As long as it can handle 300-350 whp, it'll be fine for me. And even that is probably gonna be too much for the stock (or even well set up coilovers) to be able to put to the ground without melting the tires.

N2OInferno

It's kind of funny when you think about it, but with today's standards 400 horsepower really isn't that much anymore.. Sure there's a point when you're loaded down and everything is going to break.. I'm willing to bet that it's a bit over 400 though. And normally the people that have the money to dump into a car that has that much power also have the money to fix it if it breaks.. Or hopefully they at least planned on it happening.. And your last point defies all logic. If you can put it to the ground, More power = faster. But that "more" goes up exponentially the faster you want to go.

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econorocket

Wait, isn't that the point?

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Brillo

put it to the ground is the issue and it isn't just the tires, the whole chasis needs to be able to handle that kind of power and torque.

my favorite example

What do a 300, 600 and 1200 hp Supra have in common?

They all run 13's

96gsx

Older then the internet. but still funny.

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N2OInferno

No way, it's fun watching the chassis twist and flex in the air on launch.. Nothing like the fox bodies that try to do a barrel roll off the line.

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Kevin DSM guy

Haha I like to accelerate a little bit rather than having to replace my rear tires twice a year. I mean, if all I wanna do is melt some tires I'll get a FWD car.

RudyH

I have to agree with you. The car I am just getting rid of detuned is now around 275 awhp and around 400lbs-ft after I started parting out. The car is stupid fast. In its 'hay days' it was around 350 awhp which was PLENTY.

I am aiming for around 300-350 rwhp, yes it would be nice to hang with a Z06 and all, but eventually you have to find your limit, keeping in mind your daily driving it, and only able to use 60% of the potential.

N2OInferno

With that mentality you shouldn't ever mod anything, because you won't reach the limits of a stock car on the road anyway.

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Brillo

Its not the ability to use the power I take issue with, its the cost vs. return. If I can make my car as fast as yours with 100 less hp b/c the chasis can't handle it and your just spinning tires and wearing out your drive train why would spend the additional cost to make that extra usless power? Not to mention the costs usually starting going up exponentially when you start replacing major components like turbos, diffs axles etc...

Sure, there are pepole that will do it, just becuase they have have the biggest @ick on the block, but thats not going to be 98% of people on this site.

From what I can see thus far, the car is likely capable of handling about ~325whp without any major issues issues such as tranny strength, cooling etc... It is likely bolt ons will get either the v6 or the I4 most of the way there. Bang for your buck, that is likely to be the best choice.

When A new car comes out, alot of new to modding enthusiasts start thinking about how much power than can make without thinking rationally about the consequences of having a 400+ HP car.

FlesHBoX

I don't have a problem at all with those who push an engine to it's max. Some people find a lot of enjoyment in modifying an engine and pushing it to the limits of it's capability. This has nothing to do with driving either. To each their own. Those who want a fast car and those who want huge horsepower both have basically unrelated goals.


It's when those two team up and make the ungodly fast huge horsepower behemoth of a car that makes the teeth in back rattle and the hair on the back of your neck stand straight up!

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theironmonk

the chassis is not a problem especially since its even stiffer then the E46 M3

To reach 400WHP in the I4 would probably only need an EvoX turbo and the pipping to help it. That and a clutch.

400RWHP is scary the 1st time I won't lie. But going over 170mph is also very scary the 1st time around.

500whp is about the limit where it starts to become completely useless on the street since you cant enjoy it on 90% of US streets.

N2OInferno

Don't tell anybody I said this.. but.. I hear it helps with male enlargement.

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AdR

^^^ Some people like dyno queens, others like fast cars. My idea of building a sport car is to make it as fast as you can while maintaining reliability and the most efficiency possible. No need to inject 200 extra horsepower if they will only show up in a dyno not the road and much less pretty useless to have those extra 100-200hp if you'll have to rebuild the engine every few months.

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mkit8971

Structurally I believe the 2.0T won't last long past 400-450whp. Although I might be wrong (and I hope I am) but the open deck design will hold people from making huge numbers. The V6 might be the option for bigger power. Either way you'll have to spend some dough to get above those power levels on either platform. Although 300-350whp, IMO, is perfect. It's good to see you can fit some fat tires in the rear to help plant the power.

Caminsky

Coming from a 348rwhp car, I can say that 348 is a lot of fun, but pretty managable. Obviously you have to be more careful (especially in the rain), but I think 350-400whp isn't too crazy for a daily driver.You're probably right about 500whp being useless on the streets (but still sounds like a lot of fun ).

I think a lot of people are a bit intimidated about having a faster car, but as long as you drive smart and make sure you have the supporting mods you should be ok.

On a side note: My scariest driving experience was driving on bald tires in the rain in my old V6 Mustang.

GenCoupeTorque

I think it depends a lot on what car this HP is being made. Power to weight ratio plays a huge role. Relatively speaking 350-400whp means something different depending on which car it's being pumped out of.

Caminsky

True, but I was thinking more around the size of the Gen Coupe. Obviously 400whp in a Geo Metro is goingto differ from a 400whp Nissan Armada.

AdR

Of all the light cars in the world you had to give an example based on that piece of crap?

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