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Does LOW clutch point indicate BAD CLUTCH?

if the clutch point is near the bottom, literally barely let my foot off the clutch pedal and it grabs already indicate a bad clutch? i always thought worn clutches wear out when clutch point gets higher and higher..
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Re: Does LOW clutch point indicate BAD CLUTCH?

Did it just start doing this? Your thoughts are correct. A worn clutch with be a very high release if any at all.

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Dont quote me on this as I could be wrong. From my current understanding, clutch point has little meaning to whether the clutch is going bad. My last car (e46 330I) had a very very high clutch point even though I replaced the clutch on it. A worn clutch will slip despite where your clutch point is.
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it started doing it about 2k miles ago, and now its seems to be noticeably lower than before
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it started doing it about 2k miles ago, and now its seems to be noticeably lower than before
Bit it is consistent? Not sporadic correct?

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thats correct, its consistent
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Dont quote me on this as I could be wrong. From my current understanding, clutch point has little meaning to whether the clutch is going bad. My last car (e46 330I) had a very very high clutch point even though I replaced the clutch on it. A worn clutch will slip despite where your clutch point is.
This is correct. If a clutch is slipping, it will do it regardless of release point. Additionally, each car, even among the same make/model/year/trim can have varying release points depending on a number of factors between the clutch pedal, clutch hydraulic cylinders, and clutch itself. That being said, usually, if the clutch is slipping you will notice the release going higher and higher until you can literally let the clutch out completely in gear and the car does not stall because nothing is gripping and the assembly is free spinning with the clutch disc engaged.

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thats correct, its consistent
That sounds like a hydraulic issue either with the primary, slave, or both cylinders. It is something you should get checked on and repaired asap as it can lead to burning out your clutch much quicker due to the improper clutch placement and engagement with how it incorrectly reads clutch play in the pedal. This should be a warranty item under your power train coverage as the primary and slave cylinders should not be considered wear items like a clutch disk would be.

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It sounds like he has the opposite prob Bill - his clutch is grabbing early immediately off the floor - could be adjustment OR it could be indicative of a master/slave cylinder leak.

If it's a leak, it's one of those things to get fixed ASAP - could end up with a clutch you can't disengage (this happened to me in my last car, grinding gears all the way to the garage)

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It sounds like he has the opposite prob Bill - his clutch is grabbing early immediately off the floor - could be adjustment OR it could be indicative of a master/slave cylinder leak.

If it's a leak, it's one of those things to get fixed ASAP - could end up with a clutch you can't disengage (this happened to me in my last car, grinding gears all the way to the garage)
lol That's what I said. I think its a master or slave cylinder issue. Like you and I both said, it needs fixed asap before it locks the clutch in or out.
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It sounds like he has the opposite prob Bill - his clutch is grabbing early immediately off the floor - could be adjustment OR it could be indicative of a master/slave cylinder leak.

If it's a leak, it's one of those things to get fixed ASAP - could end up with a clutch you can't disengage (this happened to me in my last car, grinding gears all the way to the garage)
You tellin me you can't shift a triple cone syncromesh trans without clutching in?!?



I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see it was a cylinder issue. I had a similar issue when I first had the car...just a spongy pedal. Didn't feel like it was engaging properly...I bleed the lines...5 seconds of un-interrupted airflow in the clutch lines. I **** you not! Brand new car...maybe...2500 miles on it.

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Sorry to revive an old thread but I am currently having the same issue. I just got my transmission replaced due to 5th-6th gear grinding. I got my car back yesterday and the man pedal is floppy as all get out. It has a good 3 inches (purely estimate) of play with no engagement whatsoever. It bites right as I start to let the clutch out next to the floor. I was thinking there wasn't enough fluid in the lines, similar to brakes, but I don't even know if thats how it works.

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If you have air in the lines, get your clutch line bled - that MAY firm up the initial floppy feel and will help with willing the clutch engagement bite off the floor a bit.

Is the pedal like completely dead for those 3 inches (eg. no hydraulics, no return spring?) Example: I have about a half inch of floppy pedal play, after that there's some resistance from the hydraulics/return spring but the clutch is still engaged until about half way down when I can start to get some slip..... are you saying that you don't even have hydraulic resistance for 3 full inches (which would be like the entire first half of the clutch depression travel?)

if it's free play, the clutch cylinder may not be getting all the fluid it needs to engage early. Failing that, something has happened to the lines (full of air or stretched or something).

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If you have air in the lines, get your clutch line bled - that MAY firm up the initial floppy feel and will help with willing the clutch engagement bite off the floor a bit.

Is the pedal like completely dead for those 3 inches (eg. no hydraulics, no return spring?) Example: I have about a half inch of floppy pedal play, after that there's some resistance from the hydraulics/return spring but the clutch is still engaged until about half way down when I can start to get some slip..... are you saying that you don't even have hydraulic resistance for 3 full inches (which would be like the entire first half of the clutch depression travel?)

if it's free play, the clutch cylinder may not be getting all the fluid it needs to engage early. Failing that, something has happened to the lines (full of air or stretched or something).
Thanks for the response!
Im hoping I just have some air in the lines but yes its completely dead. No resistance coming from either direction for roughly half the clutch travel. I start feeling resistance after half the travel, then it bites as soon as I let any pressure off of the clutch. Almost stalled my car this morning. I'm taking it back into the dealership in about 30 minutes. I just wanted to be armed with some knowledge just incase they try to blow it off.

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Good luck sir

Get them to bleed it, top it up, and give both the brakes and the clutch a good 10 depressions after it's all connected just to make sure (this ensures the cylinder is taking up fluid properly)

If that doesn't fix it, have them replace the clutch cylinder.

If that doesn't fix it, there may be a problem inside the trans bell housing concerning the pressure plate - shouldn't have been affected from a gearbox switch-out, but you never know.

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Awesome, thanks again for the help. I have a general understanding of whats going on under there, but diagnosing a defective part isn't my forte(kdm humor?).

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Awesome, thanks again for the help. I have a general understanding of whats going on under there, but diagnosing a defective part isn't my forte(kdm humor?).
my friend had a similar problem after doing his genesis clutch, turns out his bleed nippl ewas actually leaking so if driving it was ok after sitting for a while tho some fluid could come or air get in, check for elaks aswell while your at it.
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I just got in my car to go to the dealership and I may have been accidentaly exaggerating. The clutch felt much better than I remember, so I ended up not taking it in.

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maybe you have a leak in the master cylinder? that does seem strange though, Most cars have different points but for yours to change over time is interesting.
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Mine bites right when I let off. After doing a lot of driving in Boston, 1 week consistent, 1kmiles, it seems like it grabs instantly and there's a slight amount of play, but too slight. It's hard to drive smooth giving it wot and jerking since the clutch just pops it.
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