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#1 Old 09-10-2011, 09:14 PM
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Totally disabling the ESC 100%

I've read multiple threads on here regarding disabling the ESC (also stated in some threads as the TCS). Some folks say tapping the ESC button w/ a manual switch, the ESC still remains "active" and I've also read where holding the ESC button for 7 secs or so supposedly disables it, but not 100% either.

Reading through the Genesis forum below, I came across the thread linked below where the V8 Genny guys have figured out how to totally disable the ESC 100% and they are able to roast their tires off the rims.... LMAO

So, if this is "old news", sorry. If it's "new" news, the disable technique may be the same for the GC's as well. Post up your results... and if you have successfully disabled your ESC (TCS) 100%, did you use the method outlined in the thread (post # 4) or?

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I'm not so sure this applies to the gencoupe. It is my understanding that the genesis coupe is one of the few cars that completely disengages the esc upon pressing the button.

I for one have never had any interference from the esc when i turned it off manually.

Can anyone confirm this for me?

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I don't see the point in this thread.

we don't drive sedans.

and it is off when you press the ESC. the dumb techs in the forum were saying that the it wasn't fully disabled because they were going off the info that they were trained on, for the freakin SEDAN.

If anybody doesn't believe me, drive it with the ESC off, then take out the ABS fuse and see if it drive any different.
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+1 to what AKGC said! when i turn the TCS off my car its off! i almost killed myself once cuz i forgot i turned it off! lol

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lies. push the button and pop that clutch, i promise u WILL b sideways 100 percent.

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I have to also agree. I went sideways at the track with the TCS OFF and it never cut power, nor was power ever cut at any point during my track time.
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You guys obviously have not tried to do a burnout. Turn it off, pop the clutch, press the brake, see what happens. Unless you have the tune that completely turns it off, it will NOT let you.

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+1 to everyone that said it's off completely with one push.

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Two different things:

It turns traction control off. You can roast the tires.

Stability control is still on. The tail slides out, and the electro nannies intervene. It's not fully turned off.
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You guys obviously have not tried to do a burnout. Turn it off, pop the clutch, press the brake, see what happens. Unless you have the tune that completely turns it off, it will NOT let you.
Ive done that in both a 2010 R-Spec 2.0T and a 2012 R-Spec 3.8 and in both cases the rear wheels spun quite nicely.

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Two different things:

It turns traction control off. You can roast the tires.

Stability control is still on. The tail slides out, and the electro nannies intervene. It's not fully turned off.
Ive had the back of my car slide out from under me with no intervention.

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Mine will even turn the tires over with traction control on... until the little yellow light flashes!

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Ive had the back of my car slide out from under me with no intervention.
How much opposite lock did you have to dial in? Probably not much.

It will only allow a little bit of slide. After you hit the (low) threshold, it's fun over.



There is a trick to it, though. If the rear wheels are already spinning, then you get it sideways, it will let you go. But if the rear wheels aren't yet spinning and you get it sideways, then ESC kicks in. Just something I've noticed.
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Yeah... people don't seem to get this ....

When you press the button to disable trac control, it is NOT fully 100% disabled, as in the car will no longer do any automated things to control the situation you're in. It will, however, do a whole lot LESS.

If you read back through old posts here (early to mid 2009 time-frame), when people first got these cars and started experimenting -- you'll see there were individuals who had problems doing auto-x courses or drifting because the trac control wasn't 100% disabled with the button.

There were some rumors that by holding it down for 7-10 seconds when starting the car, you could put it in fully disabled mode. And honestly, I don't know if this was ever really confirmed or denied? But the solution that DID work for these people involved pulling out the trac fuse. Unfortunately, that also generates a fault light on your dash / trouble code.

The tune that BloodType Racing offered recently is supposed to FULLY disable the trac control whenever the button is pressed to disable it, and other custom tunes may/may not offer this as well.
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uhh i did a donut by just pressing the button

no secret there...
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first, read how the ESC and stability control, controls traction.

there is NO electronic diff. so it can't vector torque to either wheels to keep stability.
how else would it do it? by applying the BRAKES to individual wheels.
Second thing it does, is lower throttle.

Now ask yourself, does the car lower throttle and/or apply brakes at any point, when ESC is off?

holding the brake and doing a standing burnout, while keeping the wheel straight, or turning the wheel to start doing donuts, it does no intervention. doing it in the winter time, its even more apparent that its off.
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In my experience (2010 3.8 track manual) once the ESC is disabled via the button, there is either no electronic intervention or so little that empirical measurement would be require to convince me. Once the system is disabled I'm able to spin the tires freely from a launch or to slide the car sideways without any noticeable reaction or intervention by the vehicle's systems. If ESC retains any functionality at that point I can't see it having any negative affect on car control.
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first, read how the ESC and stability control, controls traction.

there is NO electronic diff. so it can't vector torque to either wheels to keep stability.
how else would it do it? by applying the BRAKES to individual wheels.
Second thing it does, is lower throttle.

Now ask yourself, does the car lower throttle and/or apply brakes at any point, when ESC is off?

holding the brake and doing a standing burnout, while keeping the wheel straight, or turning the wheel to start doing donuts, it does no intervention. doing it in the winter time, its even more apparent that its off.
I can confirm this too...The GC is my first RWD car, got it 2 months before it's first winter, that time I let the TC on most of the winter out of fear/lack of experience with a RWD.

Last winter was a whole other thing. BR Stage 2 tune going full boost with no TC off MOST OF WINTER (In -25*C weather, a turbo car pulls a hellova lot more than in +25*C weather, so you know..ROFL). Best learning experience ever. I'm completely serious too.

We get shiitty winters not unlike what AKGC might see, and i can tell you that on my 2.0T 6/MT Track, when the TC is off, it's off.

Be it when applying brakes going sideways or not, only thing the car will do is cycle the ABS when you're on the brakes and that's it.

In fact I'm pretty sure you could be gliding on your roof and the thing would still only cycle the Brakes trying to regain traction...LOL

But I do remember reading about the TCS not being 100% off on the Auto equipped cars, but I can't remember in which thread I read that though....

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He's not saying it doesn't spin the tires, he's saying it's not 100% off. Unless the 4 cars I have tried this on happen to have some fluke with the traction control, you cannot do a burnout, period. If you are at the strip and in the water box, turn it off, pop the clutch, depress the brake, and attempt to heat the tire up without letting off the brakes, it will NOT let you. My car, 2 others like it, and a 3.8 auto all have the same outcome...

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