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post #161 of 196 Old 09-21-2009, 12:23 PM
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Just got finished reading all 8 pages of this thread and my head is spinning. Anyhow, we made 269whp/251tq @14psi on my car with this list of modifications:
- Hybrid TD05H-14G-10 (upgraded 36lb compressor wheel, ported, unknown upgraded turbine wheel)
- TBE 7ism ~2.75" exhaust w/ both cats deleted
- 7ism top mount ramhorn manifold
- 7ism FMIC and pipes (2" to 2.5"hot/2.5"cold side pipes)
- 4" 7ism turbo intake
- 750cc RC injectors (larger than needed but necessary for stage 3 of the build)
- Tial BV 50mm BOV
- K&N 4" Cone filter
- HKS M35il spark plugs
- Tuning (PowerAXEL in this case)
Total cost so far is right around $5000 w/ tuning and dyno time. Keep in mind that this turbo is capable of 25psi in its efficiency range so we aren't at the peak output (scheduled to tune again this weekend now that we have the proper heat range spark plugs). We're shooting for 330whp/310tq and plan to tune it for that level to keep it within safe levels for the stock rods at this point.

With that for reference, here's a cost analysis for the modification of my car:
Stock (avg from 2.0t dynos) 168whp/200tq
Upgraded - 330whp/310tq (est)
Difference - +162whp/+110tq
Cost per unit gained - $30.86 per whp/$45.45 per tq

That's one set of numbers to compare 3.8 results to but don't forget to factor in the difference in price of the 2.0t/3.8 model chosen to the equation.

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^Now that's what I'm talking about! We are getting closer and closer to the final result and true cost.

Thanks, MSUGeoman22.

So, about $5000 on a 2.0t to hit about 330whp [I've been saying about $5K to hit 300whp, same thing really, just a little more boost and tuning]

Realistically, it's seeming more and more like the same amount of money will take both to 330whp, while 300whp will be cheaper to hit on the 3.8.

After you take into account the cost of the car, the two cars are about the same cost up to about 250-300whp, but going a bit higher to 330whp will be cheaper with the 2.0t... since cams/engine components are not cheap on the 3.8.

Let me see you hit the 330whp mark, and the statement above will be a reality.

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^Now that's what I'm talking about! We are getting closer and closer to the final result and true cost.

Thanks, MSUGeoman22.

So, about $5000 on a 2.0t to hit about 330whp [I've been saying about $5K to hit 300whp, same thing really, just a little more boost and tuning]

Realistically, it's seeming more and more like the same amount of money will take both to 330whp, while 300whp will be cheaper to hit on the 3.8.

After you take into account the cost of the car, the two cars are about the same cost up to about 250-300whp, but going a bit higher to 330whp will be cheaper with the 2.0t... since cams/engine components are not cheap on the 3.8.

Let me see you hit the 330whp mark, and the statement above will be a reality.

Agreed. We shall see what numbers exactly this weekend so I'll fill ya in!

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just curious, anyone here played with 2871r or 3071r??
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Or do anyone have any specs on Korean Gen coupe from Dragon motors that made 363Whp?


Was this on stock internals ?

Edit: NVM I found out it was.

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Yeah Aside from Dragon, I have not been able to find any specs either.
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Hey,

Sorry I'm a newbie and I'm undecided on whether I wanna grab a 2.0t or a 3.8.

If I get a 2.0t, how much money and work would have to go into modding the engine in order to match and surpass the 3.8's specs?
Wonderful! thanks for the info that you guys have been discussing. Awesome!!!!
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This thread needs to be updated:

http://www.gencoupe.com/3-8-v6/24190...tml#post183849

290whp (+33whp over stock) with:
Headers
CAI

($1400) total.

No Tune.
No Dual exhaust
No Test pipes.
No cams.

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it's 269 whp up from 249whp, or +20hp for 1400$... I don't see what there is to jump around in joy from.

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That's a mustang dyno as in it reads much lower than a dyno jet.

249whp baseline is with headers.
STOCK baseline on mustang dyno is 23x whp.

Dynojet STOCK baseline is 255 - 260whp.
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it's 269 whp up from 249whp, or +20hp for 1400$... I don't see what there is to jump around in joy from.
Where are you getting the 269 number?

Predator dyno'ed 230whp completely stock (best run)
Predator added K&N Filter and HKS axle back, and dyno'ed 243.5whp (best run)
Predator added headers, and dyno'ed 255.8whp (best run)
Finally Predator removed K&N Filter and added CAI, and dyno'ed 263whp (best run so far, they'll dyno more as it relearns)

This was done on 1) a Mustang Dyno; 2) In Puerto Rico; and 3) On his car.


Predator states that the K&N gave him 8whp. Which means that the axle back must be accounting for the other 5.5whp.

Here's the gains he saw:
K&N Filter, 8whp
HKS Axleback 5.5whp (assumed)
ARK Headers, 12.3whp
Injen CAI, additional 7.2whp on top of the 8whp that only a filter gave, roughly a total of 15.2whp (assumed) from the Injen CAI

Looks like best bang for the buck on a 3.8 is:
1. Injen CAI (if you can't afford the $300+ price just get a filter for now)
2. ARK Headers (or any headers, as the stock header is of a log design, where these are sort of a shorty header (not longtube))
3. Axleback, and probably any exhaust that doesn't remove the cats

Which backs up what I've been saying/assuming.

Edit: Don't forget that weather (temperature, humidity, barometric pressure) plays a factor in all this, but that's the cold hard numbers.

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post #172 of 196 Old 11-11-2009, 02:11 PM
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We also need to update since....

B.A.M from exhaust depot is making 231whp without a tune or new turbo...

Exhaust Depot WGA - RWDCoupe.com - Hyundai Genesis Coupe Owners Club

"3" turbo back exhaust, cold side piping, intake, Waste Gate Actuator, Block off plate and Forge BOV. 231whp "

Figure with good tune he may be able to break 250-260 whp. Perhaps the factory turbo doesn't suck quite so bad

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This thread is starting to change my mind about getting a 2.0t.
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We also need to update since....

B.A.M from exhaust depot is making 231whp without a tune or new turbo...

Exhaust Depot WGA - RWDCoupe.com - Hyundai Genesis Coupe Owners Club

"3" turbo back exhaust, cold side piping, intake, Waste Gate Actuator, Block off plate and Forge BOV. 231whp "

Figure with good tune he may be able to break 250-260 whp. Perhaps the factory turbo doesn't suck quite so bad
No baseline?
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If you read the thread talking about the 7ism stage 3 kit being around $7000.00 dollars and being capable of possibly 650 Hp, and this kit includes internals! While it's not done and ready yet, the cost for labor would probably be $2880.00 at 90.00 dollars per hour. For a total of $9880.00 so far. Then a tune would probably be around $400.00 dollars if you went to California to get PA to do it or if you have the module already and have access to internet tuning. For a grand total of $10280.00.

Configuring PA Stage 3 Turbo Kit

That's $22.29 per WHP so if your planing on or even thinking about going past the stock turbo then save your money up and diving right in to the nasty power.

I wouldn't need the exhaust either just a DP and Cat delete that could be custom made for like $100.00 further saving me money and possibly putting me under 10k for my 650 build.
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No baseline?
Yes he has a baseline.

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Yes he has a baseline.
Where is it? I'm all for it, just wondering where it's from.
50whp with full bolt-ons without a tune sounds about right.
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I believe at numbers like that you will be getting into serious $$. You will need to do a very serious clutch and I highly doubt the tranny will hold that kind of power. As far as I know there isnt any aftermarket gearing or dogboxes etc available.

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If you read the thread talking about the 7ism stage 3 kit being around $7000.00 dollars and being capable of possibly 650 Hp, and this kit includes internals! While it's not done and ready yet, the cost for labor would probably be $2880.00 at 90.00 dollars per hour. For a total of $9880.00 so far. Then a tune would probably be around $400.00 dollars if you went to California to get PA to do it or if you have the module already and have access to internet tuning. For a grand total of $10280.00.

Configuring PA Stage 3 Turbo Kit

That's $22.29 per WHP so if your planing on or even thinking about going past the stock turbo then save your money up and diving right in to the nasty power.

I wouldn't need the exhaust either just a DP and Cat delete that could be custom made for like $100.00 further saving me money and possibly putting me under 10k for my 650 build.

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We will see soon enough if the tranny has got the nuts (hint...hint).

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We will see soon enough if the tranny has got the nuts (hint...hint).
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