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Hey everyone, I was looking to get a Genesis in the future, but I wasn't sure which one would be better. I have had both N/A and FI cars. I've had a really fast VW MKIII 1.8T swap (lots of work done) and now I have an 02 Nissan Maxima (3.5 with full bolt-ons). They were both great, but different in their own way (obviously because they're 2 completely different cars)

I LOVE the kick in the ass feel of the turbo, but I love the always there power of the N/A. I would be looking for something that's easy to get power from without spending a ton of money while doing so. So what's a better motor to start with? What are the limitations of the 2.0T's? Like, at what point do you need to start replacing the turbo because it's maxed out or build the motor so it can take more power?

Same goes for the 3.8. Do you get more power for your money when modding the 3.8? Are bolt-ons effective? How much faster is the 3.8 than the 2.0T? Just looking for some opinions. I will go drive one soon, just want to see if it is worth my time looking at a 2.0T. Thanks!
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Viperboy. I talked to a couple of the techs in my dealership. The difference in price between the 2.0t and the 3.8L will be eaten up by the amount of money you will have to spend getting the 2.0t to where the 3.8L starts. This is what I was told by the techs and they both where tuners and both went for the 3.8L. My moto is there is no replacement for displacment. There are companies out there working on forced induction for the 3.8L. Nothing avalible yet but comming soon. I havn't started my mods yet. Waiting for the Injen CAI and the ARK Exhaust for my 3.8L. But I can let you know how it works out. Alot of people on the form have started already and have gotten good results with bolt-ons for the 3.8L. Hope this helped. Good Luck and Welcome. Hope you make yourself a Genisis owner I Love Mine.

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Viperboy. I talked to a couple of the techs in my dealership. The difference in price between the 2.0t and the 3.8L will be eaten up by the amount of money you will have to spend getting the 2.0t to where the 3.8L starts. This is what I was told by the techs and they both where tuners and both went for the 3.8L. My moto is there is no replacement for displacment. There are companies out there working on forced induction for the 3.8L. Nothing avalible yet but comming soon. I havn't started my mods yet. Waiting for the Injen CAI and the ARK Exhaust for my 3.8L. But I can let you know how it works out. Alot of people on the form have started already and have gotten good results with bolt-ons for the 3.8L. Hope this helped. Good Luck and Welcome. Hope you make yourself a Genisis owner I Love Mine.
Thanks for that!

Yeah, after having my 3.5 in my Maxima, I'm just used to the instant power and torque, it just flies! (Faster than the 3.8 Gen, I believe ) I know the torque on the 3.8 is a good bit less than the HP, but I bet it still pulls good from the low RPM.

I figured that's what it would be - the 2.0T needs too many mods to be as fast/faster than the 3.8. Plus the 3.8s sounds SOOOOO good, especially with the ARK exhaust. Saw it on YouTube. Freakin' amazing!
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Thanks for that!

Yeah, after having my 3.5 in my Maxima, I'm just used to the instant power and torque, it just flies! (Faster than the 3.8 Gen, I believe ) I know the torque on the 3.8 is a good bit less than the HP, but I bet it still pulls good from the low RPM.

I figured that's what it would be - the 2.0T needs too many mods to be as fast/faster than the 3.8. Plus the 3.8s sounds SOOOOO good, especially with the ARK exhaust. Saw it on YouTube. Freakin' amazing!
..... not exactly, my 2.0T puts down 296 wheel torque with $700 worth of software, and an FMIC/BOV kit + intake will put me at/over your 3.8 stock numbers for way less than the price difference, and then the sky is the limit from there with a turbo swap.

BUT... I guarantee you this thread/argument will turn into a ***damn flame war within seconds, so -

- buy a 3.8 if you want fast out of the box and few/no mods.
- buy a 2.0T if you're a serious tuner and want better power/weight ratio, handling, etc so on and so forth.

Forced induction for the 3.8 will cost a small fortune just for the parts, not to mention the tuning. But if I was made of money, that's the route I would have gone, believe me.
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How much would it cost to get the 2.0t up to par with the 3.8?

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^Now that's what I'm talking about! We are getting closer and closer to the final result and true cost.

Thanks, MSUGeoman22.

So, about $5000 on a 2.0t to hit about 330whp [I've been saying about $5K to hit 300whp, same thing really, just a little more boost and tuning]

Realistically, it's seeming more and more like the same amount of money will take both to 330whp, while 300whp will be cheaper to hit on the 3.8.

After you take into account the cost of the car, the two cars are about the same cost up to about 250-300whp, but going a bit higher to 330whp will be cheaper with the 2.0t... since cams/engine components are not cheap on the 3.8.

Let me see you hit the 330whp mark, and the statement above will be a reality.

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Good point CrookedH but the same could be said for a tune and CAI for the 3.8L. 40HP is not hard to get out of the 3.8L with minimal work and dollars. I know that the forced Induction systems will be expensive if you need someone to do the work for you. The thread really isn't about possiblity because that would be a firestorm. I think what he was asking was power for less money and I think you maybe right. After you buy the car spend all the time researching parts & time you could have a faster car. End result 3.8L greater possiblities but may cost you more. Doesn't matter aren't we all adrenaline junkys and more is never enuff ;-)

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FYI $5,000.00 will get you forced induction system on a 3.8L as well. I would expect more then 330whp from it easy.

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$5k will get you the parts, MAYBE. It won't buy you a tune

And 30+whp with bolt ons on the Lambda II sounds iffy.
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Quartermaster. I maybe ahead of the curve because I have the ability to tune the car myself so I can't speak intelligently about that. But before I get into a heated debate, we all have a reason for getting the car we did and isn't it great that they are both avalible. This way you and I can own a really great car that we can both enjoy instead of taking one's piece out and measuring it. They are both great cars I hope viperboy will become a fellow owner and get as much enjoyment out of the car as we both do.

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One thing that really draws me to higher displacement engines is the deep growl from the engine when you step on the gas. The car sounds like a pissed off, rabid animal. Gives me a chubby all the time.

And I am not just talkin Genesis either. I heard one of the new V10 Audi R8s the other day and man did that sound sweet. Sounded better than 90% of the Ferraris I have ever heard (and generally speaking Ferraris are the best sounding cars on the road imo). The big difference in sound obviously owing to the massive engine. It was so deep and menacing it made the ground shake. It was teh seks.

Big displacement = big sound = big wood
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i had both. Happier with the 3.8, but Im getting lazy in my "old" age...dont feel like swapping turbos etc. So as far as 2.0T vs 3.8, try both and decide.

BUT those who say the 3.8 is heavier and handles worse...naaaah.

The weight difference isnt even 100lbs, you wont notice a difference.

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One thing that really draws me to higher displacement engines is the deep growl from the engine when you step on the gas. The car sounds like a pissed off, rabid animal. Gives me a chubby all the time.

And I am not just talkin Genesis either. I heard one of the new V10 Audi R8s the other day and man did that sound sweet. Sounded better than 90% of the Ferraris I have ever heard (and generally speaking Ferraris are the best sounding cars on the road imo). The big difference in sound obviously owing to the massive engine. It was so deep and menacing it made the ground shake. It was teh seks.

Big displacement = big sound = big wood
So your suggestion is to buy the 3.8 because it will draw men to my car with chubbys because of the sound?

I will say it sounds awesome, but I wouldn't buy a car just for its sound.
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the stock turbo is useless past 250whp, it would have to be upgraded to see more power.

no one knows the limits on the stock internals yet, ppl thought it was 350whp...but ATP turbo had just hit 374whp on the stock bottom end.


it just a matter of preference, the v6 is more fun out the box and will put a smile on your face, and the 2.0t is very lousy stock and will turn that smile upside down .

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G37 or 370Z Stock hits 305WHP.

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Sorry thought you ment in general. You meant 3.8L Right.

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Thanks for that!

Yeah, after having my 3.5 in my Maxima, I'm just used to the instant power and torque, it just flies! (Faster than the 3.8 Gen, I believe )
I don't know about the Maxima being faster. Motor Trend has the Maxima 0-60 in 6.1 and the 3.8 Coupe in 5.6
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If you like turbos, then it's 2.Ot

Give it 1 more year and I guarantee there will be way more parts and turbos for the 4 banger.

I say in maybe 1 more year I'll sell the SRT-4 (after I hit 11's) and start modding my 2.0.

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I don't know about the Maxima being faster. Motor Trend has the Maxima 0-60 in 6.1 and the 3.8 Coupe in 5.6
On a stock Maxima, not a Maxima with full bolt-ons and a tune

Not that any of you care, but I walk 350z's and G35's and beat G37s. The G37 is a close race though. Also G8 GT's aren't a problem, nor are STi's whose drivers can't get off the line worth a crap haha
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On a stock Maxima, not a Maxima with full bolt-ons and a tune

Not that any of you care, but I walk 350z's and G35's and beat G37s. The G37 is a close race though. Also G8 GT's aren't a problem, nor are STi's whose drivers can't get off the line worth a crap haha
Whoa whoa whoa....you mean to tell me that youre vq35de with 255 hp is able to walk a

330 hp g37
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364 HP G8 Gt

hmmmmm...
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