OFFICIAL THREAD: Manual Transmission Issues

[KAJINOFE]

I see, thanks a bunch Red Raspberry!

[McFly]

No, "notchy" is the same as gear grind, only not as bad. If you put the clutch in half way the shift feels like it has a notch, or notchiness, to it. If you don't put the clutch in, you have a gear grind.

What you experience when the clutch is halfway or not at all in, is what is happening here. The clutch is all the way in, but it still seems to respond like the clutch isn't all the way in. Something is wrong somewhere in the connection between your foot putting the clutch in and the transmission.

Could be a problem with any of the following (which makes up the complete connection):
clutch pedal needs adjustment
Clutch Master Cylinder (CMC)
hydraulic line between the master cylinder and slave cylinder
Clutch Slave Cylinder (CSC)
Shift fork and throw out bearing that disengages the clutch
Clutch/Pressure plate/Flywheel setup
Transmission (Transmission Fluid, transmission shafts forks not allowing full connection, dogteeth, or synchronizers, aka synchros)

[stacman]

They replaced my clutch master cylinder which was leaking. Transmission still sucks. My dealership claims to be unable to find the proper gear oil. I am getting very frustrated.

[stacman]

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<div style="font-style:italic">The manual isn't horrid, it is more of a winter nuisance thatn it is worthless, but if you live in hot climate year round, I don't think they have any complaints.<br>
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But yea, I think we all wish hyundai would hurry up and find a fix.</div>
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Not really true about the climate but it may have an affect on the car. But I just think about half of the manuals are manufactured incorrectly at some point or another. But from what I hear a fix is on the way!

I have had problems since august. It's not cold on august. I'm so frustrated, but I called Hyundai Canada and they said they'll call my dealership for me. Seems like if you want something done you have to do it yourself.

I will never buy another Hyundai new.

[brad fischer]

anyone in canada have the tsbs for the manual done at the dealer yet ?

[brandon1987]

Originally Posted by brad fischer

anyone in canada have the tsbs for the manual done at the dealer yet ?

Unfortunately it doesn't exist yet. I've been in continual contact with my service advisor about this (and he was actually the one to call me and tell me that the TSB for the sunroof cover was available...probably because he's got a GenCoupe too).

[brandon1987]

I'm bored at work today, and so I thought I'd send an email to Hyundai Canada, I would urge everyone else to do the same CustomerRelations@HyundaiCanada.com:

Good Day,

I am writing to you to express a deep concern with my July-production 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 6MT. As I am sure you are aware, there is a widespread problem with the manual transmissions being used in these cars, where numerous owners are reporting several issues. I personally am experiencing two of the three. I am a moderator of the largest North American Genesis Coupe forum GenCoupe.com Forums - Your Hyundai Genesis Coupe Community and an extensive thread has been created to document these issues. OFFICIAL THREAD: Manual Transmission Issues

When downshifting from 2nd gear to 1st gear I am completely unable to get into 1st unless the vehicle’s speed is less than 10km/h unless double clutching is used. This prevents a safety issue when merging with traffic as 10km/h is too slow to be in 2nd and to be able to accelerate quickly to join traffic, and 1st being the ideal gear at this speed is not attainable.

The second issue which I am experiencing is a grind when shifting into 2nd gear, this is most pronounced when the transmission is cold. Obviously, the more often this happens the worse it gets. Originally the issue was only present when the transmission was cold but now warm shifts have become less smooth, and I am concerned that my second gear syncros may need replacing not long after my warranty expires, at my cost. I’ve made every precaution to ensure that the clutch pedal is fully depressed when shifting and yet this issue is still present.

The third issue that many other people myself not included are experiencing is a grind when shifting from 4th gear to 5th when their RPMs exceed 4000rpm in 4th gear.

I am also aware that US-Spec cars have a TSB released to rectify this issue by replacing the transmission fluid and gear shift lever. My fantastic service department at Crowfoot Hyundai in Calgary, Alberta, is aware of the issue in my car as well as many others, but tells me that there is not much that can be done at this point until they receive a TSB from Hyundai Canada.

As a result, and as a concerned first time Hyundai owner, I am writing to urge Hyundai Canada to recognize this issue and release a fix for these transmissions as soon as possible.

Yours very truly,

Brandon Cardone

[brad fischer]

Well done Brandon. Every Canadian owner should send a similar letter to Hyundai Canada customer relations.

[whatnot]

Well, I finally got around to making an appointment and will be dropping off my car this week. wish me luck. I will keep you posted on and fixs or replacements or whatever happens.

My plan is to drop it off at night, so when they start it up in the morning, and let the engine warm up for 5 mins, and try to get into 1st, they won't be able to witihout double clutching/rev matching. Let them fix it or do what they think is needed.

If they say "it is fine blah blah blah" then i will show them the TSB.

by the way I never put my build date: 12/30/08

[kentrg]

My first post here. Wish it was more positive but unfortunately...

Username -kentrg

Location (i.e. city, state) -Central Florida

Engine/Trans/Trim - 3.8 Manual Track edition

Mileage - 4200

To what degree is the problem? - Trans ground when upshifting into 5th.

What have you done to try to get it fixed? - Dealer replace trans.

The new trans took about 3 weeks to get from Hyundai. Took 2 days to install.

The new trans still sucks. No grind into 5th BUT when the weather is cold you have to man handle it to get into first and second. Geese, I pushed it into first, at a dead stop, so hard I thought I'd break the shifter. Downshifting into first is not an option. It won't go.

The new trans also clunks going into second gear intermittently, sometimes so loud you can hear it 1/2 block away.

We just went through a cold snap with temps in the mid to high 20's F. That's when it was the worst. It's warmed up, 50's F, so the new trans has smoothed out some...doesn't clunk as bad going into second. I feel sorry for you guys that live in the north with colder temps.

I've been driving manual trans cars and trucks for 45 years so it's not like I don't know how to shift. In all those years I've never run into a manual trans that's as bad as this.

My dealer's service dept has been great through all of this. After the new trans was installed and still having problems, the dealer had me drop off the car the night before so the Hyundai district manager could drive it the next morning when he arrived.

Naturally, it was about 20 degrees warmer than it had been so it didn't clunk very bad and the shifter worked fine going into first and second. This tells me the trans doesn't like the trans fluid in colder weather.

Here's the deal with down shifting according to the Hyundai district manager.

HE says the manual trans is designed to NOT down shift into first gear while the car is moving so the trans is protected from high RPM down shifts. To me, that SUCKS!

Even though I don't care much for automatic transmissions, right now I'm wishing I had bought one.

According to the Florida lemon law I have 24 months. Hmmmmmmm...

[brandon1987]

Well update for the Canadian folks. I received an email back from Hyundai Canada, here's what it said:

Good afternoon Mr. Cardone,

Thank you for contacting our office and your interest in our products.

We regret to read of your current issues with your 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 6-speed V6. We have contacted our Service Manager at Crowfoot Hyundai to obtain details on what type of repairs may have been conducted and to offer our Hyundai Technical Assistance (HYTAC) in resolving your issues.

The TSB released by US-Spec is a campaign in the United States and only applies to dealer stock vehicles. Our understanding is that the main issue is difficulty shifting into 2nd and 5th gears (possibly grinding) on the manual transmission. At this point Hyundai Motor America has not issued any bulletin for vehicles that have already been retailed. Hyundai Auto Canada Corp is currently reviewing this bulletin for Canada.

As soon as we receive further information from Crowfoot Hyundai we will relay to you via email.

Best regards,
Lina
Customer Relations Coordinator
Hyundai Auto Canada Corp.

This is great news! I got a call shortly after this email from the service manager at my dealership. I sincerely hope that my email didn't cause any issues between the service department and Hyundai Canada as that was not my intention in the least.

I'm away right now with work, but once I get home I'll be making an appointment to meet with the service manager, and he and I will be going through a few things on my car. Most notable being, the transmission, and my hood alignment. Then we'll go from there.

[stacman]

Username - stacman
Location (i.e. city, state) - Winnipeg, Manitoba (Canada)
Engine/Trans/Trim - 2.0T/6MT/Base
Mileage - 12,800km
Build Date - Feb. 6 2009
To what degree is the problem? - 1st gear is difficult to pull out of gear, and impossible to downshift into, 2nd gear grinds on most upshifts, and is very difficult to downshift into (even when rev-matching). 3rd gear grinds slightly on every upshift
What have you done to try to get it fixed? - Leaky Clutch Master Cylinder Replaced, Trans oil flushed and changed for different one. This started in summer, I first reported it to the dealership in August 2009. Not until december did they admit the gears were grinding. The trans oil was changed yesterday, problem still exists. Gets exponentially worse in cold weather.

Is there any point in replacing my transmission if that's something I'm going to have to go back and get done every 6 months? I'm a patient man but my patience at this point, the 6 month mark, is gone. This should have been fixed the first time I brought it in.

[Einhasad]

Username: Einhasad
Location - Tallahassee, FL
Engine/Trans/Trim - 3.8 6MT Track
Mileage - 400Miles
Build date - Sept 8 2009
To what degree is the problem? -
My transmission clunks 3 times rapidly when I am in first gear and clutch in to shift to second. While the engine is spinning down and before I shift to 2nd, you can hear and feel a slight "clank, clank, clank" Dunno if anyone else has had this issue or if this is what everyone is talking about...

Car is brand new as well, second day of ownership...

[whatnot]

Originally Posted by Einhasad

Username: Einhasad
Location - Tallahassee, FL
Engine/Trans/Trim - 3.8 6MT Track
Mileage - 400Miles
Build date - Sept 8 2009
To what degree is the problem? -
My transmission clunks 3 times rapidly when I am in first gear and clutch in to shift to second. While the engine is spinning down and before I shift to 2nd, you can hear and feel a slight "clank, clank, clank" Dunno if anyone else has had this issue or if this is what everyone is talking about...

Car is brand new as well, second day of ownership...

wow, in FL this happens? how cold is it?

[Einhasad]

Originally Posted by whatnot

wow, in FL this happens? how cold is it?

Not cold at all really. When I noticed it it was 65 degrees out. This is also the second day I have owned the damn thing and it's making this noise @ 400 miles.

I take it this is the noise people are saying is the clunking around when shifting from 1 to 2 and 2 to 3?

[whatnot]

Originally Posted by Einhasad

Not cold at all really. When I noticed it it was 65 degrees out. This is also the second day I have owned the damn thing and it's making this noise @ 400 miles.

I take it this is the noise people are saying is the clunking around when shifting from 1 to 2 and 2 to 3?

no IIRC, the clunking/grinding comes from gong into 5th, or from downshifting 3 to 2 or 2 to 1 when at anything other than a stop. and this is amplified by the cold. Upshifting issues is new to me in other than 5th, especially in the warmer weather. Is this your first clutch/manual car?

[Einhasad]

Originally Posted by whatnot

no IIRC, the clunking/grinding comes from gong into 5th, or from downshifting 3 to 2 or 2 to 1 when at anything other than a stop. and this is amplified by the cold. Upshifting issues is new to me in other than 5th, especially in the warmer weather. Is this your first clutch/manual car?

Not my first manual by a long shot =P haha.

It almost sounds to me like there is too much play in the differential or something causing it to have "slack" and thus the clanking noise.

I test drove one 3.8 base manual and it had the exact same sound so I passed on that one. Then I got this Yellow Track which didn't have the clanking noise, only to drive it home and have it start the next day. 2 days of ownership...400 miles =(

What happens is this: Imagine stop and go traffic where you are basically sitting in 1st or 2nd gear with the clutch in mostly to be ready to move. Now you start crawling ahead so you clutch out and you're basically rolling in 1st or 2nd gear until you need to slow down again...Now, you will clutch in (don't want to stall, duh) and press your brake to stop since traffic is now stopping around you. When you clutch in, but before you move the shifter to any other gear, you will hear this clanking noise.

Is this a new one for you guys? This car was a sept 2009 build car...thought these issues were fixed =(

[whatnot]

Originally Posted by Einhasad

Not my first manual by a long shot =P haha.

It almost sounds to me like there is too much play in the differential or something causing it to have "slack" and thus the clanking noise.

I test drove one 3.8 base manual and it had the exact same sound so I passed on that one. Then I got this Yellow Track which didn't have the clanking noise, only to drive it home and have it start the next day. 2 days of ownership...400 miles =(

What happens is this: Imagine stop and go traffic where you are basically sitting in 1st or 2nd gear with the clutch in mostly to be ready to move. Now you start crawling ahead so you clutch out and you're basically rolling in 1st or 2nd gear until you need to slow down again...Now, you will clutch in (don't want to stall, duh) and press your brake to stop since traffic is now stopping around you. When you clutch in, but before you move the shifter to any other gear, you will hear this clanking noise.

Is this a new one for you guys? This car was a sept 2009 build car...thought these issues were fixed =(

sorry, for integrity/thoughough sake, I had to ask expereience.

Yea, what you are saying in traffic is exactly what the problem is. Unless you are at a complete stop 1st or 2nd doens't want to go it. but after I warm up my car it works fine. But even in teh frigid cold, I have never once had a problem upshifting, even rowing through the gears as fast as I can. But going to N and then trying to get back into the lower gears can be a challenge.... unless you double clutch or rev match.

but being ~60 i woulnd't think you have that problem. Maybe the shifter change and oil change TSB would fix it?

I think taking it to your dealer is the best bet. if it is that bad.

[kentrg]

Originally Posted by whatnot

wow, in FL this happens? how cold is it?

Heck, it happens when it's in the mid 60's until the trans warms up. I'm in central FL which is more south than Einhasad is.

You can see my previous post on this page.

[stacman]

I wrote an email to Hyundai:

Hello, I am writing as a concerned Hyundai owner.

In august of 2009, my car with less than 10,000kms on it started having issues shifting into first, second and third. To be totally honest I wasn't even aware that first gear was synchronized because I have never been able to shift into first unless under 10 km/h. Starting in august, second gear has become increasingly difficult to upshift into, near impossible without significant grinding or double clutching. Down shifting into second is also very difficult, and since first gear seems to be locked out when over 10km/h, there is no safe way to slow down to less than 30km/h and speed up again. Third gear grinds on every upshift, but less often on downshifts. The synchros seem to be gone, and I am very concerned that these will be completely worn out very shortly after my warranty has expired, and will need to be replaced at my own cost.

My service department at Murray Hyundai has been very courteous, but unable to resolve my issues. I currently have had my car in for service more time than months I have owned it. The keyless entry also does nor work when the weather is below -10c, but unfortunately, every time I book a service appointment the weather warms up.

I am not the only person experiencing issues with my Genesis Coupe either, you can find the issues of many, many other owners at OFFICIAL THREAD: Manual Transmission Issues


Here is my post:
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Username - stacman
Location (i.e. city, state) - Winnipeg, Manitoba (Canada)
Engine/Trans/Trim - 2.0T/6MT/Base
Mileage - 12,800km
Build Date - Feb. 6 2009
To what degree is the problem? - 1st gear is difficult to pull out of gear, and impossible to downshift into, 2nd gear grinds on most upshifts, and is very difficult to downshift into (even when rev-matching). 3rd gear grinds slightly on every upshift
What have you done to try to get it fixed? - Leaky Clutch Master Cylinder Replaced, Trans oil flushed and changed for different one. This started in summer, I first reported it to the dealership in August 2009. Not until december did they admit the gears were grinding. The trans oil was changed yesterday, problem still exists. Gets exponentially worse in cold weather.

Is there any point in replacing my transmission if that's something I'm going to have to go back and get done every 6 months? I'm a patient man but my patience at this point, the 6 month mark, is gone. This should have been fixed the first time I brought it in.
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I would greatly appreciate if this issue could be resolved before these cars garner a reputation for having bad transmissions, as not only will that seriously affect their resale value, it will affect new sales, and also prevent people like myself from becoming repeat customers. I can be reached at (204)979-7822. Thank you!