volsfan0911

eh - the new 'Stang is being proclaimed as the "best ever". New Camaro? Big & HEAVY! Yikes - 3,860 lbs for a SS mit manual?? Come on! Someone call Lotus.

 

FlesHBoX

For one, California will crush your car if you are caught street racing, and they take the term "street racing" very liberally... from my understanding

California employs new tactics to crush illegal street racing

I don't know if other states have a car crush program like that though.

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AdR

Where I live they won't crush them but they will confiscate them. If they are good and fast vehicles you could be seeing your own creation with a police siren and badging.

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ImAuthenticFTW

they do the same thing here in MD

as far as the street racing go, yes im guilty of it, but i dont do it on busy roads, or during the day for that matter. Most of my street races are on empty roads late at night/early morning, like 1130pm-3am on a sunday night on 1 of 2 roads in my area.....one of which has about 1/4 mile uphill shut down on it which is convieniant(sp??)

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N2OInferno

I have never, ever street raced
and lost.

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AdR

I'm pretty sure both white and black are lies.

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orot10

Before you get too excited you ought to read the latest motor trend. They get 0-60 in 4.9, 13.5 in 1/4 and .95 on the skid pad, and stops from 60 in 108 feet. That ain't too shabby. It basically costs the same as gen coupe and camaro. The options for consumers in the 30K coupes have never been so good (between 370, GC, Camaro, and Mustang). (BTW, that engine is basically the Bullit car from prior year).

Shin

Base Price $28,845
Price as tested $34,330
Vehicle Layout Front engine, RWD, 4-pass, 2-door coupe
Engine 4.6L/315-hp/325-lb-ft SOHC 24-valve V-8
Transmission 5-speed manual
Curb Weight (dist f/r) 3572 lb (53/47%)
Wheelbase 107.1 in
Length x Width x Height 188.1 x 73.9 x 55.6 in
0-60 mph 4.9 sec
Quarter mile 13.5 sec @ 104.2 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph 108 ft
Lateral acceleration 0.95 g (avg)
MT figure eight 25.5 sec @ 0.70 g (avg)
EPA City/Hwy fuel econ 16/24 mpg (est)
CO2 Emissions 1.03 lb/mile (est)
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2010 Ford Mustang GT - Interior and Specs - First Test - Motor Trend

N2OInferno

Black, yes. White, no. Actually the only time I ever did was back when I was a little hooligan in my Mustang.

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orot10

I suspect once you get rid of a few of the useless options on that car (heated seats, etc..) and the likely discounts available from Ford the price of a Mustang and Track GC will be reasonably close. Hey, I like the GC as well, think it's more visually appealing, I've never owned a Ford, but I find knee jerk reactions discounting the performance value of the Mustang are absurd. They made some nice improvements,brushed aluminum trim on the interior is a favorite of mine, increased the power, and kept the bloat to a minimum. and if they put the twin turbo six from the SHO, or the alleged new V8 in it next year it will be giving all kinds of cars a hard time.

N2OInferno

If you get rid of the options, you can't compare the cars apples to apples.

Why does everyone want to compare a stripped down model to the highest grade model of the Genesis Coupe?

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theironmonk

Actually you can pick up a shelby GT for 28k right now so don't forget that.

orot10

Because life is full of trade offs and it's reasonable to ask whether one prefers heated seats or going .5-1.0 faster to 60 or having more lateral grip , or looks, which in my opinion go to the Hyundai in this comparison. Ignoring the fact that once these cars are within a few thousand they are all basically in the same category, one will have to see what the actual OTD prices are. It's not unreasonable to believe OTD prices on Mustang GTs will be very comparable to GC Track models. When the argument starts to drift from it not competition because of the ancient live axle (performance) to it's not competition because it's a bit more expensive one should ask themselves if they are not rationalizing. At the end of they day I think it would come down to styling and if one more likes the Asian (drifting,ricer,etc..) type styling which I admit I do if done tastefully, or American muscle which I'm not so big on retro looks. I'll also say my comments are just based on superficial outside observations of the Mustang since I've only experienced it at a car show and in mags. The most recent Mustang I've actually been in is my buddy's 68 Shelby GT500 so someone is probably better equipped to comment how modern ones drive.

wolverinejoe80

wish gen coupe was sub 5.0 sec 0-60.

AdR

With a few mods and tuning it should be able to get close to the 5.0 to 60. The raw power of the Mustang/Camaro is good for straightways but put them on a tight circuit and run them around to see what happens.

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wolverinejoe80

but for normal people it's about stock 0-60. they could careless about anything else.
imagine if gen coupe ran 4.7 0-60 stock? that would create a 10 times more buzz and shut every haters up.

brandon1987

I actually don't know about the Camaro, but the new Mustang, despite having a live rear axle, is said to handle surprisingly well. And I don't mean well for a Mustang, I mean well for a sports car.

But yeah it would have been nice for Hyundai to have squeezed more power out of both engines from factory, and making the 3.8L do 60mph in something closer to 5.0seconds. I agree with you WolverineJoe, that had they done that, a lot more people would be forced to stand up and take note.

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wolverinejoe80

i'm just nit picking here.


anyway, isn't mustang only has 315hp? why is it so much faster than gen coupe in straight? i don't get it.. i think on paper, gen coupe looks like a 5.0 sec car and under 14 second qtr mile.

if hyundai can make it go faster slightly than i bet the sales will go up drastically. i think we should collectively complain about the straight speed.

i know gen coupe will be a smash hit, and it's a near perfect car, but my expectation on hyundais are getting higher every time. and if we keep complain ,they will listen. they got sick of sonata's interior comments,so they completely changed the dash.

FlesHBoX

:drool:


My problem with the mustang isn't that it's a mustang. Honestly, the '05 mustang was the first one I ever thought looked good (always been a Camaro guy) and I strongly considered buying one back in '06.

My problem is the badge, Ford... their build quality is atrocious. I looked at new focuses at one point and found the overall quality of the car was just pathetic. I mean when you can lift the mat in the hatch and see gallons of sealant and where the paint ends... yeah... no thanks

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orot10

The camaro's main problem is weight but otherwise I suspect it will handle well. The most suprising thing to me in that review was actually the handling statistics for the mustang - .95 skidpad and 108 60->0 is getting into supercar region. Now that doesn't necessarily equate into an overall good handling car but my point was it's a lot of car for around 30K and shouldn't be dismissed as primitive.
BTW, the Camaro will most likely take well to mods if gains on G8 and GTO's with simple bolt ons and tunes is any indication.