FlesHBoX

One word... TORQUE


I mean there is nothing like a big, heavy American V8 for torque...

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AdR

All sport cars are getting into our perception of supercar region, as technology progresses cars get faster and faster. But don't take lightly that what you and I consider supercar region is shifting from the 90's 0-60 in 4.5 or slower to more like 0-60 in 3.5-slower. It's just relative to your memory. Supercars are now into the 1g and up skidpad and breaking in under 100ft. Consumer cars will never be on supercar territory unless you compare them to older supercars. I'd guess that in future "affordable" sport coupes the standard 0-60 times and 1/4 miles should be close to those of the Z06 Corvette or GT-R.

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ER101160

I saw the new issue of Motor Trend today and it had a section called top 5 cars worth waiting for.The Gen Coupe was 4th on the list.

The paragraph below the picture said that Ford Mustang has alot to be afraid of.

wshuff

The few things I've read about the new Camaro seem to indicate that it will be a solid handling car. I've seen videos where they were testing at the 'Ring. I don't think you do that if you are only going for speed in a straight line.

wshuff

It was nice to see the Genesis Coupe on that list. I also liked the list to the left of that one, five dreamcars or something like that. The Alfa 8C is rolling art.

(Maybe Hyundai could do a knockoff of that one for $30k)

orot10

Okay Ring times are very cliche nowadays, but anyway, I believe the Camaro has supposedly/self reported an 8:20 which to put into context is faster than an e46 m3, cayman s, Audi S5, 335i, and NSX and just 2 seconds slower than an ISF. If you believe that track tests straightline as well as handling then the camaro is no slouch.

I do agree with the prior poster that "normal" cars now have near super car like performance in reality beyond the limits of what most drivers can really use.

EVOs and STI were freaks of nature just 5 years ago with about the same performance that many cars offer now (370, Camaro, Apaprently Mustang etc...). The best part is if you inflation adjust the price, these type of cars have not gotten more expensive

N2OInferno

Sure there is.. A big, heavy, diesel American V8.

And if we're talking tradeoffs and sacrifices here and can't compare apples vs apples and whatnot, then we throw this whole argument out the window and nobody should ever, EVER buy a new car. If you're going to compare two cars brand new, just compare the models as they sit in the lineup. Don't compare a base to a fully loaded model.. Because you can go out and buy an M3, S4, or a Z06, for what we're paying for a new car now. My 2¢.

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McFly

Thanks for all the responses guys. I started the thread and then just walked away, lol. Good to know what you guys think. appreciate that... now magazines, please take note, we want the comparo, please (No, I didn't say camaro)You can compare two cars with the same options or you can compare two cars at the same price point. One or the other, so long as you explain how you're doing the comparison. For example, you could compare a bare bones Mustang GT auto at $29,000 (18" wheels, no sunroof, no upgraded stereo, no upgraded brakes, no upgraded rear end gears w/ upgraded ESC(which they have available, yes, but we don't, but I urge people to do rear end gears), no backup sensors/video) against the Gen Coupe GT auto at $29,000 (you can stick with manual for $1000 less and $1500 less respectively)... OR you can compare a track Gen Coupe auto at $31,000 against the Mustang GT Premium with similar options (Electronics package, sunroof, standard audio (which is already 500W and 6-disc, MP3), 19"wheels, auto) for $38,820 (according to edmunds, $40,115 w/upgraded 1000W audio system).

If you like options and features, the Gen Coupe should blow the doors off of the Mustang, but bare bones, it might have the Mustang ahead with pure performance. Either way I'd like to know, and either way I'm for the Gen Coupe.That's what I'm talking about.

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kanys

I think both the Camaro and Mustang will be good competition. However since both are more expensive and get worse mileage (talking V8's here) that bodes well for the Genesis. I would however watch the V6 Camaro since despite that it is a good deal heavier and therefore slower I have heard it handles very well, and gets very good mileage (18/27 I think).

FlesHBoX

I would definitely like to see the comparo, I mean apples to oranges or not, I am still interested. I mean the first time most of us actually saw a gencoupe was sitting next to a mustang right? That's sortof the initial impression some people had, so it only makes sense.

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McFly

^exactly

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AlvinT

IMO this comparison is worthy in terms of price and HP; the Camaro will be another one. I sold a couple of MustangGT's and have driven customer cars (including the GT500) at nearby Willow Springs Intl Raceway. The live-axle works great especially with a few modifications, so I wouldn't factor this into the equation. The Mustang has better rear-seat headroom than the Genesis Coupe - I'm only 5-7" and the top of my head touched the ceiling. A VW Beetle has more headroom than this coupe.

Buyers of either may compare the two, but IMO, I believe you have two different buyers. On paper they're close in pricing, utility, and power; the MustangGT has proven performance and reliability. There's a laundry list of mods for the MustangGT owner and it's a great dd getting decent mileage on 87 octane. The Genesis Coupe will need only time to prove its reliability and tuning potential. Oh, if you're looking for that aggressive sound, you better stay with the V8 in the Mustang!

I drove the a Genesis Coupe GT V6 yesterday - I expected more in terms of power, sound, and utility. Perhaps it was the automatic transmission that factored into my 0-60 and 50+mph acceleration tests. I look forward to the 2.0T/6MT.
Driver ergonomics were great for me as the dashboard height is low (unlike the Mustang) and it allows the driver to position the seating to the pedals and steering-wheel with little concern of limited visibility. Steering on the Genesis Coupe felt slow and lacked the snappy feel of newer (electro-mechanical rack/pinion) systems available on other brands. I hope the Quick-ratio hydraulic steering (2.7 turns lock-to-lock) feels better.

The Hyundai Genesis Coupe is still on my list as a replacement track vehicle and I'm looking forward to driving the R-Spec.

fasterthanu

you must be

McFly

Great post.

I would also like to see what the R-Spec comes out like... but for now, the base 3.8 is the most R-Spec like, which will do, if I find one I like. The slow 2.0t, no thank you... unless I find $3K of mods that will put it on par with the 3.8, that is.

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UTASM

I'm with you Mc Fly!

Nic

This thread has me banging my head against the wall.

Speedslave

I own a 2005 Mustang GT it's really a toy now, its over 800rwhp.
But I still remember when it was stock...
I have a Gen Coupe 3.8 Cdn Base (USDM GT)

Comparing both, is futile. The mustang stock will destroy the 2.0t and 3.8. No question about it if you are talking Street Racing, or Drag Racing.

It took me under 500 dollars on the Mustang to run 13flat in the 1/4 mile.
The 2005+ Mustang chassis is no slouch, and does quite well on the road course and autox with the proper setup. Being a mustang means unlimited aftermarket support for whichever discipline you choose.

So why did I buy the Genesis Coupe? The Genesis Coupe offers me a civil 300hp car with rwd that I can drive daily, and not worry about the dismal mpg of the mustang.

No doubt the Gen coupe is quick, my gut tells me I can squeeze a 13 out of it.
I will also be auto-xing this year. I'm trying to broaden my automotive horizons so instead of brutal power, I'm aiming for solid power, balanced handling, and braking.

Out of all the new cars out right now that I can purchase for under 40k, the Genesis Coupe was the only choice that met my requirements. RWD, 2 door, 4 seater, 250+ hp, and LSD.

I now will spend the change from that 40k on wheels/tires/brakes and wait for my friends at Vortech Superchargers to let me know when a kit will be available.

Vortech currently makes a kit for the 350 and g35.. so hopefully with enough interest they will make a nice kit for our car.

I've spoken to several of my friends there already, and there is talks and excitement already.

Since I don't have 10 posts yet, I cannot post links.
but if you poke around on the Vortech website, you'll see my little mustang.

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Skaterbasist

Speaking objectively, how has Hyundai put the G37 to shame?

The only thing (aside from looks which are subjective) the Gen Coupe has over the G37 is a lower price figure. Is that all it takes to put another car to shame these days? The economy has really taken a toll on everyone if that's the case

I think the bolded part sums it up pretty well. And lets not forget, these are people with their own subjective opinions doing the writing.

Though they are in different segments of the market, they are both great bargains when you compare them against their competitors. Besides, its hard to argue value when one car is a sports coupe and the other a luxury sports coupe.

Putting personal preferences aside, both cars require respect in many ways for similar and not so similar reasons.

Skaterbasist

Going back to the topic: Mustang GT is quicker in terms of acceleration and has a TON of potential when it comes to modifications. But the Hyundai has a superior suspension over the "oldschool-suspensioned" Mustang.

It's amazing what a simple tune and gears can do for the Mustang GT!

Skaterbasist

Though you somewhat stated it, you can not give a conclusion in how a car handles from simple statistics as skidpad and initial braking distances.

Throw some sticky rubber and quality brake pads in many of todays cars and it will yield a few good statistics that might "wow" a reader who isn't that knowledgeable.

Unless Ford changes the entire suspension, a mustang will always feel like mustang, even with some nicer rubber and upgraded brake pads. (My brother has one and I have driven it for hundreds of miles).

I don't understand why some people feel that if they gather 0-60, skidpad, and braking distances, they know everything about how the car performs (not directing this at you or anyone in particular)

It can be indicative at most.