wolverinejoe80

also about warranties.. these kinda mods won't be covered by warranty right?

can you just put it back to a stock condition and just pretend you never mod the car so you can have a full warranty support?

 

wolverinejoe80

that's what i heard. maybe around 220hp?

dogstar

The list I used was the parts list that BeyondRedline is using... whomever wrote the response you just posted is entitled to his opinion, but I stand by my guesstimate of $3300 plus install and tuning. The guy who wrote that response may not realize that BeyondRedline is using the stock pump and only replacing the injectors and using an AEM fuel controller (at least that is what they have revealed here )

I took the parts list and priced it online, trying to find at least 3 different sources for each item and making a nice average price or a range of prices that represents already available parts for Cobalts, Audis, Evos and MS3s.

s2kysk

Fact that most of the studs broke during removal of turbo, I think getting back to stock will be tough. Also, they use paint around bolts to detect mods. So, forget about warrenty if you gonna mod.

wolverinejoe80

i see.. damn. i'm kinda scared now.. i don't know why i never get into tuning stuff. i always was fascinated by it but never had a dough and balls to do anything with my cars. lol

anyway i'm 29 and i feel like a high school kid. even thinkin about tuning my future car gives me goosebumps. lol

ItalynStylion

I think you're probably right but I'm just going off the stock published figure since I don't have an engine dyno.

Most RWD cars with manual transmissions average anywhere from 12-17% drive train loss. Autos are usually a little more than 15%. FWD cars usually lose less power because they have a lower rotating mass and power doesn't have to change directions as much.

My automatic prelude had a 25% drive train loss....it suuuuuuucked! The manual in that car was a POS. My current IS300 dyno'd at 175whp and it had 60k on the clock. That comes in at about 20% drive train loss before I changed the transmission fluid and differential fluid.

ItalynStylion

Find paint.....strip old paint.....repaint.....done

Luke@BeyondRedline

Probably not....you might be able to slide with a few boltons, but that might be pushing it..

As far as pricing goes, we haven't done anything with that side of things yet. We are having a meeting Thursday regarding production and such, and then there will be an announcement to follow in regards to production schedule and pricing.

I hope to have some of this stuff out quickly, as I know you guys are probably as anxious as I was to get the car, and get a little more hp out of it.

Grey Ghost

I have never seen ANY new car that had paint on bolts/nuts that could be removed as a result of modification that would signal a technician to void warranty.

And i have always performed all work on my new cars, and not once when they needed to go the dealer for warranty work, did they void my warrany because of a paint mark that didnt line up on a bolt, those marks are made at the assembly plant, and no dealer is going to know about these marks as "warranty marks"

bottlefed_k24

well if ur a tech for hyundai- and u work on a gencoupe over a period of time- u will
notice the marks and colors factory leaves- hell even the door lock actuators have
marks on them

Cold71

Just keep the old bolt on parts, if something goes wrong put the old parts back on and take it back up to the dealer. I have to agree that they are most likely not going to know or say anything to you. Even if they do just act cool and pretend that you have no idea what they are talking about, just play car dumb.

RudyH

It needs more torque down low

Seriously, nicely done, I'm looking forward to at the very least get the bolt ons done but keeping the option open for bigger turbo when the bug bites again.

(intake, intercooler + piping, down pipe, exhaust and tune). From what it sounds like injectors weren't needed until you started cranking up the boost on the bigger turbo.

Is the exhaust relatively quiet on the street? Kinda hard to tell in a closed in garage on a dyno.

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boostdog

which is not illegal at all nor fradulant in anyway

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N2OInferno

Or.. How about take some actual responsibility and if you break something, fess up and open your wallet. You pay to play.

It's this reason alone that a lot of dealerships strike out warranty claims so quickly.

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FlesHBoX

+1...

As for the paint marks. There are two reasons that a fastener would have a paint mark on it.

1. It is an inspection point for fasteners torquing loose. If the paint is cracked then the fastener should be inspected for problems.
2. It is an inspection mark made by a line inspector as they check the part over.

It would never be anything close to feasible to use this kind of marking to identify when a modification has been made to the car, as the paint used to mark them is easily available with a minimum of searching, so someone who wished to commit warranty fraud (yes, it is fraud) could do so MORE easily... "No your honor, I never modified my engine, look, even the warranty paint is in tact, that proves it!"

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mkit8971

Honest abe right here folks...I'll keep an eye out for any threads where you have a problem with your car.

McFly

Puh-lease... I don't know of even one dealer that doesn't commit those things on a day to day basis.

I'm not saying that people need to fight fire with fire... but, I have NEVER seen/heard of a dealer pull out the rule book (magnuson moss act, or whatever you call it) to defend themselves and the customer.

They would say something along the lines of:
"Right here it says that we need to prove that a modification caused the problem. Well, we've proved it to you that a modification can cause this very exact problem. Now, I need to prove to you that you actually had the modification when the problem occured, which I will now proceed to do..."

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Golfa

*cough*off topic*cough*

RudyH

This goes back to the old saying:

Fast
Reliable
Inexpensive
Pick two.

If you want to go fast, and want to do it cheap, then worry about voiding your warranty.
If you want to go fast, and want to do it while keeping it reliable, be prepared to pay.
If you want to stay reliable, while incurring the least expense, stick with bolt ons.

To date I don't have experience with Beyond Redline myself, but I'm sure this goes for any company on here. They are not going to be selling parts that puts their reputation on the line, just to make a quick buck. In 10 days, yes they did a lot of prototyping, but I bet these parts are still months away from final production as there are a lot of 'what-ifs' that come into play.

The last thing any of these guys will want is someone coming onto the forum to a hate thread along the lines of 'I got a tune from ___ and the boost was insane, then suddenly my engine blew and Hyundai won't cover it because the engine was leaned out too much by the tune'.

Leave all the warranty concerns to when the parts come out, and as the member base grows, knowledge grows from other threads, a lot more people will be able to debate 'whats safe' and 'whats hazardous' on this engine at which point warranty concerns can be addressed.

This is just a 'we re a bunch of auto junkies that are kids at a candy store going to town on this car' post IMO and I love it for what it is.

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See Sig.

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