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2.0T or 3.8?

I'm considering the Genesis Coupe to replace my aging ($$) BMW 325i, but I'm not really sure if the 2.0T or 3.8 is the way to go. Only thing for I know for sure is that I want a manual.

I test drove it for the first time today at Fitzgerald Hyundai, but all they had was a 2.0T base Auto and a 3.8 GT M/T.

Any thoughts/ input would be greatly appreciated.

(Also trying to decide between White or Red for the color)

Edit: Probably would be getting either 2.0/ 3.8 Track package. (Which I haven't been able to test-drive yet)

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Hi bro, i would say if you have the money go with the 3.8 V6 306 HP Vs. the 2.0T 210 HP, a faster and better engine as well as other nice things that comes with the 3.8 models. I have the 2.0T that i am really proud of but for my budget thats about what i can do, i wishes i was able to afford the 3.8 but just cant! , one thing though the GC is a car you will absolutely love no matter if its a 2.0 or 3.8! want the extra 96 HP at your hands and feet go for it! I did test driven the the 3.8 and yes i was really really nice, but 2.0 i am perfectly fine and love it! As for the color Red vs. White, there both nice colors, mine is Silver Stone which is what i wanted. Between those two colors i would go for the white because simply over here in CA i delt with cops pooling me over constantly in my previouse car, DONT KNOW WHY!!! but i guess that color gets to them and their attemtion... so white would be my choice. My delema with the white color is when your car is dirty it will stand out more than other colors, so which means more cleaning and washing to do! TRUELY though both ... actually all colors for the GC are nice, and all go well with the exterior cardon fiber look on lips hoods etc...
I dont know if this helps but here is my input! Looking forward to hear and see your new GC soon!!!
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i got my 2.0 from fitz. i love my 2.0 and will eventually be doing some things to add power to it. if i had the money i would have gone with the 3.8.

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Hi bro, i would say if you have the money go with the 3.8 V6 306 HP Vs. the 2.0T 210 HP, a faster and better engine as well as other nice things that comes with the 3.8 models. I have the 2.0T that i am really proud of but for my budget thats about what i can do, i wishes i was able to afford the 3.8 but just cant! , one thing though the GC is a car you will absolutely love no matter if its a 2.0 or 3.8! want the extra 96 HP at your hands and feet go for it! I did test driven the the 3.8 and yes i was really really nice, but 2.0 i am perfectly fine and love it! As for the color Red vs. White, there both nice colors, mine is Silver Stone which is what i wanted. Between those two colors i would go for the white because simply over here in CA i delt with cops pooling me over constantly in my previouse car, DONT KNOW WHY!!! but i guess that color gets to them and their attemtion... so white would be my choice. My delema with the white color is when your car is dirty it will stand out more than other colors, so which means more cleaning and washing to do! TRUELY though both ... actually all colors for the GC are nice, and all go well with the exterior cardon fiber look on lips hoods etc...
I dont know if this helps but here is my input! Looking forward to hear and see your new GC soon!!!
Which engine is more reliable? Also, which one is easier to maintain?
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Here we go again

Ultimately, it's up to you what you want.

Some facts:
-the 2.0t is cheaper by about 3k package for package
-re flashed and intake + tbe, it's basically as fast as a v6 (~$600 + $200 + ~$1000, still cheaper than a v6 in similar trim, but now you're modded)
-when flashed, the 2.0t gets better mpg. stock for stock, they are about the same regardless of what the sticker will try to tell you (2.0t runs pig rich from the factory)
-90% of the aftermarket performance parts out are on the 2.0t right now. That may change in the future, but if you're planning to be a modder/tuner, the 2.0t is probably the better choice for you. If not, the v6 is faster out of the box
- the 2.0t has a slightly better weight distribution (closer to 50/50) and is slightly less weight in total
- both 3.8 and 2.0t are available in red and white.
- don't compare the 2.0 auto to a 3.8 manual.... but since you want a manual you probably already know this. test drive the transmission you want.
- the cars are too new to really talk about reliability. some 2.0t guys hav eblown up, but they were modded. I'm sure someone out there blew a v6. But, that's what the 100k warranty is for.
- the 2.0t is probably easier to work on.... simply because its smaller in the bay, giving more room to access stuff. I don't have a v6 so i can't really say for sure.


Either way, i would recommend you to get the track or r-spec package if you're ever planning to drive hard/autox/etc. the brembos alone make it worth it (aftermakrket kits are $$$$ so you might as well just buy it oem and get the LSD, better suspension, and larger wheels, basically for free).

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Here we go again

Ultimately, it's up to you what you want.

Some facts:
-the 2.0t is cheaper by about 3k package for package
-re flashed and intake + tbe, it's basically as fast as a v6 (~$600 + $200 + ~$1000, still cheaper than a v6 in similar trim, but now you're modded)
-when flashed, the 2.0t gets better mpg. stock for stock, they are about the same regardless of what the sticker will try to tell you (2.0t runs pig rich from the factory)
-90% of the aftermarket performance parts out are on the 2.0t right now. That may change in the future, but if you're planning to be a modder/tuner, the 2.0t is probably the better choice for you. If not, the v6 is faster out of the box
- the 2.0t has a slightly better weight distribution (closer to 50/50) and is slightly less weight in total
- both 3.8 and 2.0t are available in red and white.
- don't compare the 2.0 auto to a 3.8 manual.... but since you want a manual you probably already know this. test drive the transmission you want.
- the cars are too new to really talk about reliability. some 2.0t guys hav eblown up, but they were modded. I'm sure someone out there blew a v6. But, that's what the 100k warranty is for.
- the 2.0t is probably easier to work on.... simply because its smaller in the bay, giving more room to access stuff. I don't have a v6 so i can't really say for sure.


Either way, i would recommend you to get the track or r-spec package if you're ever planning to drive hard/autox/etc. the brembos alone make it worth it (aftermakrket kits are $$$$ so you might as well just buy it oem and get the LSD, better suspension, and larger wheels, basically for free).
What's pig rich mean?
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rich, the opposite of lean, away from sotich.
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rich, the opposite of lean, away from sotich.
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ooh .. ok

Yea I'd def get track or maybe the r-spec if I went with the 2.0T.
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get the 2.0t if you're into modding.
true you get easily more power from the 3.8, but where is the fun in that

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Please drive them both for a few hours and buy what YOU LIKE! There is no way to get a straight answer on this forum. The 2.0t guys swear they can run with Corvettes with a reflash and the 3.8 guys are biased as well.


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Here we go again

Ultimately, it's up to you what you want.

Some facts:
-the 2.0t is cheaper by about 3k package for package
-re flashed and intake + tbe, it's basically as fast as a v6 (~$600 + $200 + ~$1000, still cheaper than a v6 in similar trim, but now you're modded)
-when flashed, the 2.0t gets better mpg. stock for stock, they are about the same regardless of what the sticker will try to tell you (2.0t runs pig rich from the factory)
-90% of the aftermarket performance parts out are on the 2.0t right now. That may change in the future, but if you're planning to be a modder/tuner, the 2.0t is probably the better choice for you. If not, the v6 is faster out of the box
- the 2.0t has a slightly better weight distribution (closer to 50/50) and is slightly less weight in total
- both 3.8 and 2.0t are available in red and white.
- don't compare the 2.0 auto to a 3.8 manual.... but since you want a manual you probably already know this. test drive the transmission you want.
- the cars are too new to really talk about reliability. some 2.0t guys hav eblown up, but they were modded. I'm sure someone out there blew a v6. But, that's what the 100k warranty is for.
- the 2.0t is probably easier to work on.... simply because its smaller in the bay, giving more room to access stuff. I don't have a v6 so i can't really say for sure.


Either way, i would recommend you to get the track or r-spec package if you're ever planning to drive hard/autox/etc. the brembos alone make it worth it (aftermakrket kits are $$$$ so you might as well just buy it oem and get the LSD, better suspension, and larger wheels, basically for free).
Very objective facts.

@Mtbonia: If you choose the R-Spec, you will not have choice: That will be a 2.0T with manual 6-speeds.

The Track package is very nice, but it will cost more in future to maintain, especially for tires.

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I'm one of the minority that went to the dealer dead set on getting a 2.0T and walked away with a 3.8. I have been messing with turbo Z's for years now and I was looking for a reliable, turbo, RWD coupe to use as a daily driver. Since I wasn't looking for anything earth-shattering as far as HP was concerned, the 2.0 seemed the way to go.

Then I drove them both.

Although both felt very torque-deprived as compared to my z31's, the 2.0 was below what I thought I could enjoy - even for a daily driver. I know the mod potential of a turbo car and that it would probably end up the faster of the 2 cars, I also wanted to keep the warranty going as much as possible.

In the end, the choice comes down to whether you plan on doing any mods to the car. If you do, the 2.0 has more aftermarket support out of the box because it shares some components with the EVO, etc. And it's got a turbo, which can give you free hp very easily. In fact, the R-spec is the closest thing Hyundai has to a sports car...I can't believe you can't get a Track package without a sunroof with a 3.8 - that's just dumb.

Neither is a bad choice - they're both very good. I just like the 3.8 better.

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Here we go again

Ultimately, it's up to you what you want.

Some facts:
-the 2.0t is cheaper by about 3k package for package
-re flashed and intake + tbe, it's basically as fast as a v6 (~$600 + $200 + ~$1000, still cheaper than a v6 in similar trim, but now you're modded)
-when flashed, the 2.0t gets better mpg. stock for stock, they are about the same regardless of what the sticker will try to tell you (2.0t runs pig rich from the factory)
-90% of the aftermarket performance parts out are on the 2.0t right now. That may change in the future, but if you're planning to be a modder/tuner, the 2.0t is probably the better choice for you. If not, the v6 is faster out of the box
- the 2.0t has a slightly better weight distribution (closer to 50/50) and is slightly less weight in total
- both 3.8 and 2.0t are available in red and white.
- don't compare the 2.0 auto to a 3.8 manual.... but since you want a manual you probably already know this. test drive the transmission you want.
- the cars are too new to really talk about reliability. some 2.0t guys hav eblown up, but they were modded. I'm sure someone out there blew a v6. But, that's what the 100k warranty is for.
- the 2.0t is probably easier to work on.... simply because its smaller in the bay, giving more room to access stuff. I don't have a v6 so i can't really say for sure.


Either way, i would recommend you to get the track or r-spec package if you're ever planning to drive hard/autox/etc. the brembos alone make it worth it (aftermakrket kits are $$$$ so you might as well just buy it oem and get the LSD, better suspension, and larger wheels, basically for free).
Pretty well summed up.

Drive both.
Get the 3.8.
Profit.
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I debated the same thing... I didn't want to have buyers remorse, and went with the 3.8 base rather than 2.0 track.

Gas milage is real good on the 3.8, about 26 MPG is what I have been getting on the highway which I can live with from a 300hp car.

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I realize that yes, it comes down to what I end up liking more. However though, I figured who better to ask about the Genesis then the people that actually own one so I could get some more insight into buying one.

Just based on these responses there seems to be quite a few people who wish they had gotten the 3.8 V6 but none so far that wish they had gotten a 2.0T I4 instead of the V6.

Since I probably won't be able to go sideways up a mountain road at 100mph lol, which car performs the best in situations like that?
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I think it really comes down to mainly whether you want to modify the car or not.

If your going to be happy with installing intake / headers / exhaust / cams, throwing in a tune, you will not only have a tonne of muscle coming from the V6 (likely around 400hp) but you will be more then happy with the performance along with the sound of a nice V6, and generally smooth ride. Personally I would never put forced induction on a car that wasn't built for it. Done it twice before and headaches both times.

The 2.0T on the other hand, will be a bit more fun to drive. Just with an ECU flash, the shock of torque that the turbo helps produce has made it an enjoyable drive. Mod wise you will likely kiss a lot of your powertrain warranty good bye bringing it to levls of the V6, but will have a fun time doing it. I test drove both cars, and mind you I went from a ~400hp car down to a 300hp and then down to a 200hp, they both felt slow, yet the V6 felt that much slower because of the smooth power delivery. You were going fast, but it didn't feel like it.

Handling, I know it's been debated, by dynamically I would say I > V. Ask any BMW owner :P Braking, it's the same setup mind you the I4 is stopping less weight and all the reprocussions of stopping a couple hundred pounds. Otherwise it is the same car.


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Again, stock, the v6 is way faster
but with a little bit of cash, the 2.0 is right there with it, and for less than the cost of the price difference on the v6.

so, what do you want to do? buy + drive or buy + tinker a bit + drive


And for the record, i went in to buy the v6 and was very disappointed with my test drive. So i took a 2.0t out for the hell of it and ended up buying it on the spot. The weight difference is WAY noticable for me. hp is easy to get. lighening up and having a nimble chassis, not so much.

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As others have commented, it depends what you're going to do with it, mod wise, and how you're planning to drive/cane it...

I went from my 2.0 s2000 to the 3.8 AT GC (never drove the 2.0T GC).

Handling wise, the GC gives away a lot to s2000 (which was pretty much a go-cart with ~245bhp), and I've driven the same twisty stuff in the GC as I used to in s2000 and the GC just can't be hustled through the corners as fast.

Punching it from the lights is a different matter (IMHO), as the V6 GC launches much faster than the s2000, where you have to wait for the VTEC to kick in. Don't know if there is any turbo lag in the 2.0T GC (been a long long time since I drove a Turbo...), but I'd imagine there must be some (I'll let the 2.0T owners correct me here...)

To me the switch to the 3.8 was a no brainer (I needed the extra room, wanted the extra HP off the lot, and after 3+ years of driving stick on my daily commute my left leg needed a rest.)

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I highly suggest getting the V6 if I were you. Don't take offense to this but you don't sound like you have the knowledge to mod and tune so the V6 is your better option.

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