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What helps the Corvettes get such good mileage is they slip through the air very well, less drag than most cars on the road.

They also have lots of torque (displacement) at very low rpms, enough to cruise along at 1500-1900 rpm. Add to that the .5 ratio 6th gear and you get good mileage. Finally they weigh less. 3150-3350 lbs IIRC those years)

But back on the Genesis Coupe. Is the 3.8L going to be used in anything else? if not they aren't going to keep making it for one car that sells under 15,000 units a year.

Since the chassis is going to be bigger it's going to have more torque. If it had the same engine it would be slower while getting less mpg's lugging the extra weight around. They aren't going to let that happen.

I could see the 3.3L or the 5.0, or even both. You can buy a turbo diesel or turbo gas VW Jetta for under $22K, so it's not like it's that expensive anymore to make tough, forced induction engines. (don't forget the turbo F150's and sub $25K turbo Mustangs, etc)

The 3.3L Turbo could well be the base and the 5.0 an option. It will be a little more expensive. I could see $31-38K for the 3.3L depending on options. I guess $35-45K for a 5.0 if offered.

Thats my prediction at this time. 3.3L Turbo gets similar mileage we get with a 3.8L now, 18-27) and the 5.0 gets 17-24.
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dodge started this deactivation with the 5.7L hemi motor
the new 5.7L block is built by Mercedes
if you are cruising on the hiway,4 cylinders shut down until you give it fuel,then all 8 are back in action.

the only problem I see is if you cruise all the time eventually the 4 cylinders that shut down will eventually have uneven wear compared to the other 4 cylinders and come overhaul time there will be quite a difference in piston size and cylinder wear between all cylinders and pistons
This assumes the same 4 cylinders are shut down. Quite a big assumption, id imagine this was brought up during conception and easily solved for by mixing up which cylinders shut down.

And even if they did, this is a negligible issue. Worst case 4 out of 8 cylinders have MORE compression because during CD, spark and fuel are both cut off, so these cylinders would see less combustion events thusly they would wear at a lesser rate than the other cylinders. Doubtful any loss in power or issues come "overhaul" time would be a result of this non-issue.

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The 3.3L Turbo could well be the base and the 5.0 an option. It will be a little more expensive. I could see $31-38K for the 3.3L depending on options. I guess $35-45K for a 5.0 if offered.
You really think the 3.3L will go for over $30k? One of the appeals of this car is that it is priced below others like the 370z and BRZ
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Well I don't see the next gen Z (Z35) going for anything less than $34 base. We have a huge thread on it over at 370z forum. Consensus is base i4, 300hp ish and Mercedes 6 turbo with 400+hp at around $40k (base). So Genny with 400+ with goodies...I'm game for $38 ish.
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definitely agree. 3.3TT for 33-38k sounds right to me
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You really think the 3.3L will go for over $30k? One of the appeals of this car is that it is priced below others like the 370z and BRZ
Did you not follow anything about the Genesis moniker in the last year? Hyundai has repeatedly stated they're moving the brand up-market.

We're probably looking at a 3.3TT starting at 33 grand or so, placing it to compete with the Q50 and the 428i.

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While we're on the subject of gas mileage, I just wanted to add that I've been averaging 21.7 mpg all city in my 3.8 according to the trip computer. Don't know how accurate it is but this car can be pretty efficient if you drive it normally.
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While we're on the subject of gas mileage, I just wanted to add that I've been averaging 21.7 mpg all city in my 3.8 according to the trip computer. Don't know how accurate it is but this car can be pretty efficient if you drive it normally.
My 3.8T averages 21.5 mpg (via my own math during every fill up) with my regular driving, highway with heavy traffic. When I do strictly highway I get about 25 mpg. And when I do hard driving (like at the Dragon), I get about 15-17 mpg.

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I'm surprised to hear 3 engines but wouldn't mind seeing the 2.0t come back.

To stay on topic, sounds like the 3.3 will be a nice engine. 400+hp stock would be awesome. This must have a beefed up drive-train too.
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If Hyundai is seriously looking at making the Coupe a 3 engine choice car they need to look at the way Ford is playing that game right now with the current mustang. New mustang sales are ridiculouly good because they are keeping them pretty affordable with a base starting below $24k all the way to a premium non-convertible a little above $36k ('cause we know hyundai ain't releasing a convertible coupe anytime soon).
Whether they make the NA V6 or new 2.0 the base remains to be seen but the new 3.3L will be the top of the line and they'd be smart to keep it line with what they're competing against.
If people can get a mustang base GT with the monster potential of their 5.0 for a little over $32k then I'd like to imagine Hyundai would be smart enough to keep their upcoming N Peformance Genesis coupe close to that price point instead of some ridiculous starting price point of above $35k... But that's all speculation of course.

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From the article about the 3.3....

"When Hyundai Motor America’s CEO was interviewed a few days ago during the New York AutoShow he said: “This all-new engine would arrive on the Genesis sedan in 2017 or 2018 and have power in the ballpark of the company’s 420-hp, 5.0-liter Tau V-8 but weigh far less.”

Coincidentally our source mention this engine will be ready for production in late 2017."

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2015 Corvette 19mpg city 30mpg hwy
2015 Gen Coupe 3.8 16mpg city 25mpg hwy
All due to gearing, it is running about 1,800rpms on a highway.

Swap track rear dif. Into automatic genesis and you will be getting over 30 mpg on the highway...that is if you do not care about acceleration.

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All due to gearing, running 1,800 on a highway.

Swap track rear dif. Into automatic genesis and you will be getting over 30 mpf on the highway.
The corvette has almost always had 2 overdrive gears (5th and 6th, or 3 gears - 5th, 6th, and 7th in the new ones) in the manual, where the gen only has 1 (6th).


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If Hyundai is seriously looking at making the Coupe a 3 engine choice car they need to look at the way Ford is playing that game right now with the current mustang. New mustang sales are ridiculouly good because they are keeping them pretty affordable with a base starting below $24k all the way to a premium non-convertible a little above $36k ('cause we know hyundai ain't releasing a convertible coupe anytime soon).
Whether they make the NA V6 or new 2.0 the base remains to be seen but the new 3.3L will be the top of the line and they'd be smart to keep it line with what they're competing against.
If people can get a mustang base GT with the monster potential of their 5.0 for a little over $32k then I'd like to imagine Hyundai would be smart enough to keep their upcoming N Peformance Genesis coupe close to that price point instead of some ridiculous starting price point of above $35k... But that's all speculation of course.
Wrong class dude. Mustang is beneath genesis.

Genesis will be competiting with 3 series and infinity Q60 coupe. As long as it cost slightly less then infinity then it will be a win...better car for less money.
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2015 Corvette 19mpg city 30mpg hwy
2015 Gen Coupe 3.8 16mpg city 25mpg hwy
All due to gearing, running 1,800 on a highway.

Swap track rear dif. Into automatic genesis and you will be getting over 30 mpf on the highway.
1. That doesn't explain why its also better in the city
2. I have the track dif with auto and it does not get 30mpg. About 26mpg cruising at 80mph
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1. That doesn't explain why its also better in the city
2. I have the track dif with auto and it does not get 30mpg. About 26mpg cruising at 80mph
1. Upshifting points lower due to more torque.

2. Drive 65.
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If Hyundai is seriously looking at making the Coupe a 3 engine choice car they need to look at the way Ford is playing that game right now with the current mustang. New mustang sales are ridiculouly good because they are keeping them pretty affordable with a base starting below $24k all the way to a premium non-convertible a little above $36k ('cause we know hyundai ain't releasing a convertible coupe anytime soon).
Whether they make the NA V6 or new 2.0 the base remains to be seen but the new 3.3L will be the top of the line and they'd be smart to keep it line with what they're competing against.
If people can get a mustang base GT with the monster potential of their 5.0 for a little over $32k then I'd like to imagine Hyundai would be smart enough to keep their upcoming N Peformance Genesis coupe close to that price point instead of some ridiculous starting price point of above $35k... But that's all speculation of course.
Wrong class dude. Mustang is beneath genesis.

Genesis will be competiting with 3 series and infinity Q60 coupe. As long as it cost slightly less then infinity then it will be a win...better car for less money.
Correct, if you want to compare prices with GM match it with the ATS-V coupe. That's their luxary sport coupe. The ATS-V will have a little more HP but it also starts at $61k.
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1. That doesn't explain why its also better in the city
2. I have the track dif with auto and it does not get 30mpg. About 26mpg cruising at 80mph
1. Upshifting points lower due to more torque.

2. Drive 65.
Great points. So basically I can have over 200 less HP and have to drive 5mph below the speed limit to come close in MPG.
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No dude, in terms of build quality, reliability, resale and power the mustang is not beneath the genesis.
I haven't read a comparison test between the genesis coupe and 3 series or q60 coupe. They are always compared to a mustang, golf, brz, etc, not a luxary coupe.
If hyundai wants to fantasize about being in the same class as infinity then let them but the only thing close to that is the sedan, not the coupe.
The coupe was and is supposed to be a fun and affordable "sports" car. With the way Ford has been going about the mustang as of late Hyundai could learn a thing or two from them.

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