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Question Honest thoughts on the MANUAL transmission?

I am just about ready to purchase a brand new 3.8 Gencoupe with brembo's and all the bells and whistles but I have one last big decision to make...manual or automatic?

A little background, I live in a country where there is a lot of traffic (frequent hourlong gridlocks) but I still love manual transmissions and have owned exclusively manual cars for about 20 years (the wife does have the automatics which I drive on occasion).

So I was deadset on getting another manual but then almost every review I've come across was pretty harsh on the manual which begs the question, is the manual transmission on this car truly THAT bad?

I mean, will I be possibly making "stop/start 1st gear rookie mistakes" even though I have been driving manual cars for 20 years? Is it really possible (as I read in one review) to mistake 1st gear for reverse (!) in this car? (Because if it is, that sounds like a horrible accident waiting to happen.) Will it be exceedingly tricky to drive when Metro Manila traffic slows me down to a crawl for hours on end? It it really "impossible" to drive smoothly as some reviews have insinuated?

Now I know a simple test drive would probably answer all my questions BUT Hyundai has been APPALLINGLY OF NO HELP TO MY QUANDRY. I've been to 3 different Hyundai dealerships and each one has refused my request for a test drive. They claim they have none in stock for "testing" and will only order one if I give them an unrefundable $2,500 downpayment! And even then it takes 3 months (!) to ship the car straight from Korea. It's as if they don't want to sell me a car or perhaps they do not believe I am serious in wanting to buy one. Either way, I am still enamored with the car (on paper at least) in spite of the shitty way Hyundai is treating me as a potential customer.

Honest thoughts on the manual would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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Well that is a pretty crappy situation. Probably be cheaper to fly to the USA or Korea and test drive just in case you decided it's not for you.

As far as the transmission itself goes, there is a slight learning curve. It's not "difficult" per se, but it is different than any other car I have driven. The dual-mass flywheel is rather noisy and it takes some practice to shift smoothly.

When going into Reverse, there is an audible beep, so there should be no danger of mixing up 1st and R.

I love manuals, but given your situation it may not be the best. I rarely have to deal with traffic for more than a few minutes at a time. If I lived in a truly metro area where gridlock was commonplace, I would probably want something other than a stick, particularly in this car.

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Going into R you learn in 1 minute and it makes perfect sense. After your first day you'll have it down 100%.

The clutch is not as stiff as you'd expect from a car with the HP this one has. I have a 2.0T however, I'm not sure if the 3.8 is exactly the same (I think it is). I live where gridlock happens occasionally but it's not terrible. My old Scion tC was worse for bad traffic.

The shifting pattern is a little awkward. Sometimes I still find myself hunting for a gear if I shift too early. When I first got the car I stalled several times- I hadn't owned a M/T in 5 years and this clutch is very touchy. It helps me to blip the throttle when downshifting. Upshifting is pretty normal although this car REALLY likes to shift later than I am used to- around 4k RPM. When I shift at the correct RPM, my shifts are much better.

DMF is noisy. Sometimes it causes the car to lurch a little too. I can't say I'm a fan, but I have read that is part of why the clutch is not very stiff. The noise I don't mind (it's part of the car's character) but the lurchiness is no good.

All in all, the M/T is OK but not great. There's good and bad to it and takes a little getting used to. If other people driver your car they will have trouble with it. Valets, techs at shops where you get service, friends etc. But you'l learn it pretty quickly and get used to it.
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I would take some of the reviews on the manual transmission in these cars with a grain of salt. I don't really find it as horrible as some of the automotive reviewers made it out to be, I learned to drive a manual on my Genesis and it wasn't too bad. I'll stall it every once in a while if I'm not really paying attention or something. Reverse gear takes more effort and gives an audible chime so it's pretty hard to grab reverse instead of first. But from the sounds of your post a manual in heavy traffic might be a pain to deal with.

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Thanks for the replies guys. From what I've gathered so far the reverse/1st gear thing is probably an exagerration on the part of the reviewer. I'm coming from an old 3series BMW and the reverse on that is in the same place as well. I've never put that in reverse by mistake even without a helpful sound.

Stalling however is really no good. Not only is it embarassing but it also tells me that I might not be able to aggressively "block" other people from cutting me off in super heavy traffic (trust me, traffic is world-class here...).

War's suggestion of flying to a different country just to try it out may not be a bad idea....too bad I'm super busy for the near future.

Anyone here know if the transmission problems seen in tha long official thread under the powertrain subforum still applies to 2015 models? No one here experiences "grinding" of gears?

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I've never had grinding. It's been a while since stalled out. I'm used to this clutch now and I've shaken off the rust from 5 years of slushboxes. it's not an issue once you put a few miles on the car.
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I don't understand what the issues are people are having... I have a manual and love it. Super smooth and easy.


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Agreed. I've been driving various MT's for over 30 years. I can only speak to my impression of my car. (2012 2.0T) I've heard they made the tranny a little smoother in the 2013+ models. I would rate this manual at a 7 out of 10. It can be notchy, hard to get into first until stopped and stiff on cold mornings. If you are used to a Honda or BMW MT, you will need to rejig your expectations in terms of smoothness and refined shifting. Once you are used to it of course, it's second nature to drive smoothly.
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I'm only speaking from a test drive standpoint, I haven't purchased a GC yet. I took out a MT 2.0 last year for a test. The first thing I noticed was it was way different than any manual I have driven (had manuals for the past 20 or so years). The clutch engagement was crazy narrow! It engaged very high. I almost stalled it from stop to first. That being said, it was a fun drive! But I did find myself riding the clutch trying to make smooth shifts, mostly because I felt a little embarrassed with the sales person sitting beside me haha! Absolutely no issues with the reverse, once I realized where it was it made perfect sense. I didn't find much noise, and I had zero grind on the car I tested.

The short story is I'm still planning on purchasing the MT when I buy my 2015 GenCoupe. I found the MT way more fun to drive even compared with the paddle shifters of the AT.

The one thing holding me back is the reliability, but it seems like Hyundai is honoring warranties with the MT so I'm not totally worried.

Just my opinion because you seem to be in the same boat as me with this car.
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Welcome to the forums!

Just to touch on your most recent question, you will not experience any grinding issues with your 2015. They have eliminated that as of now.

As for transmissions, that's a tough one. The 3.8 AT is an 8speed and it just feels..... odd. It's far too many gears.

I wish you the best of luck in finding one around you. Maybe search for used cars in your area to test drive alone?
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I test drove the automatic but had it in sport mode the entire time, so I didn't really experience the car hunting for gears that others have said about it.

As for the manual, reverse has the beep, and the backup camera (if equipped) will come on, so that should eliminate that problem.

I would also recommend purchasing the rear shifter linkage bushing (ATQ), perhaps a short throw shifter (ATQ), and change out the transmission fluid. It will eliminate any grinding issues!

Welcome to the forums, I think you'll enjoy either version that you buy!
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I test drove both automatic & manuals..
I don't find too much wrong with the manual.. it's definitely different and I am damn excited to get some bushings and an STS for this.. I think it will quell all issues with the shifter.. The clutch is fine, no problem with that at all.
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Don't worry about grinding. I've got a 2013 2.0t and it is not an issue at all.
Regarding the 1st/Reverse, just realize that you can't slam the shifter to the left if you're sitting in neutral, or you will go into the reverse gate. Also, if you're racing, you have to remember to pull the shifter straight back on the 1-2, not towards you and back or you'll go into the reverse gate and into nothingness. You'll make the mistake once or twice, but then you get used to it. I mentioned this to a friend and 2 minutes later he did it. It was hilarious to me because he's so much better of a driver than me and I warned him.
I haven't been stuck in extended standstill traffic much, but the clutch is relatively light and once you get used to it, it really isn't a big deal.
You'll have to get used to hearing the DMF clatter a bit when you put the clutch in at low speeds or when you stop the car, but it also isn't a big deal.
Regarding stalling, it's a car. Once you get used to it, it won't happen.
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Mine works great sometimes and sometimes it feels completely different. I wonder if its me or the car? Ive owned it for over 4 years and still dont fully get it. One day I do perfect shifts and the next day the clutch feels like it came off of a ufo. It is frustrating to say the least
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the gen is my first manual car and it just feels like other cars might be a bit better. one night my friends tried to move it because it was blocking the drive way and i was passed out, and none of them could move it. they can all drive stick and one does it everyday but they all kept stalling. i guess that goes to show that it's at bit different then other manual cars. probably because it catches high.

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This thread has made me go back and read other m/t problem threads. It looks to me like most of the issues are with the driver not the tranny. I see a common theme in many of the posts- people not shifting the car the way it wants to be shifted and trying to make the gearbox work the way the driver's old car drove. You learn to drive the car if you are willing to learn from the car. I think a lot of people are unwilling to do that.

I think a lot of it is being flexible enough to adapt your own driving style to how the car wants to be driven. Read those tranny prob threads carefully.
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word is the manual trans has had a lot of the bugs ironed out. The first gen trans were hit and miss and a lot of the 13s were as well. I went through a 1 st gen within 5k miles of buying it brand new, then got a new '13 trans put in and that was going after about 10k miles

However, going from BMW to the GC, even an old BMW, you are going to think the GC trans is not very smooth and refined, but you 'll get used to it.

Best advice I can give is to get some good Trans Oil into it pronto and that will improve the shifting dramatically.

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people not shifting the car the way it wants to be shifted and trying to make the gearbox work the way the driver's old car drove. You learn to drive the car if you are willing to learn from the car. I think a lot of people are unwilling to do that.
^^^^^ I think you nailed it right there with that statement! :thumbup: I drive alot of different manuals through work from base model Accents to trucks you name it. The Genesis definetly has a different feel to it but it's one of the quirks of the car itself that I've fallen in love with. Sometimes I have trouble adjusting to different engagement points in a vehicle I've never driven before but the key is I take a bit of time to figure out how the car/clutch/transmission behaves and go from there. A car is not going to adjust itself to how you think it should drive!

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This hydraulic clutch is not as consistent as a cable clutch, but it's also much easier to drive in bumper to bumper traffic everyday on the L.I.E. The clutch action gets better as the fluid heats up and expands. The shift gate needs a little getting used to. It's very easy to get into no mans land when down shifting from 3rd to 2nd if you have a heavy hand. I'm used to road racing and slamming the shifter when down shifting, so I had to learn to be more gentle. It would have been nice if it had a reverse lock out. As for the shifter, it's not bad at all, very easy to power-shift. I've been able to start off in first without any gas and up-shift without using the clutch. The people who are saying that they stalled, where getting off the clutch too fast. It's all about learning your car and not expecting it to work like everything else.

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Thanks for the replies guys. From what I've gathered so far the reverse/1st gear thing is probably an exagerration on the part of the reviewer. I'm coming from an old 3series BMW and the reverse on that is in the same place as well. I've never put that in reverse by mistake even without a helpful sound.

Stalling however is really no good. Not only is it embarassing but it also tells me that I might not be able to aggressively "block" other people from cutting me off in super heavy traffic (trust me, traffic is world-class here...).

War's suggestion of flying to a different country just to try it out may not be a bad idea....too bad I'm super busy for the near future.

Anyone here know if the transmission problems seen in tha long official thread under the powertrain subforum still applies to 2015 models? No one here experiences "grinding" of gears?
I realize that it is your life and your money, but from what you are describing, your location is probably the last place in the world that I would want to be driving a brand new car, manual or otherwise. Are accidents not very common? Hell, I bought a '12 coupe and within 3 weeks I was rear-ended. And traffic here is NOTHING compared to what you are talking about.
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