*Official* Workout/Gym Supplement Thread

[2.0TGT]

get one of those electronic BF monitors, I have one and its motivating to see the % drop.

Im 5'9" 178LBS 14.8% BF

My goal is to reach 10% by summer.

[ScoobahSt3ve]

Originally Posted by 2.0TGT

get one of those electronic BF monitors, I have one and its motivating to see the % drop.

Im 5'9" 178LBS 14.8% BF

My goal is to reach 10% by summer.

Those are the most inaccurate readers you can buy. Like they can be off by 5%. You are better off experimenting with skin calipers.

Im not saying urs are wrong, but a Bod Pod, or hydrostatic weighing is recommended to get a true percentage.

HW is the most accurate reading.

[Medsport]

or you could save yourself some money and do what Arnold did when he was getting ready for a contest to see how much fat he had left. Simply stand in front of a mirror with your shirt off and jump up and down a couple times. If you can see something jiggling in the belly area, then you are still fat. If you only see a little bit jiggle than it ok with me as it means your bodyfat is pretty low and it helps to have a little if your trying to gain mass. If your cutting for a contest than you don't want to see much if any. Of course if you see a 6-pack easily there is no need to jump as you are ready as you have no fat...

[theironmonk]

The reason we start hyperventilating after we stop exercise is a ton of lactic acid has built up. Hydrogen is a main molecule in any acid. Muscle pumps get this out of the muscle and into the blood. As the blood returns to the lungs, the hydrogen is basically broken down into co2. We then ventilate it out as expiration. If we breathed normally immediately after exercise, the most likely outcome is we would not be able to contract our muscles until enough lactic acid was removed. Think when you are at the gym and you are on your last set, ur doing curls and ur trying as hard as u can to lift ur last rep. No matter how hard you try, your arms won't move. This is why. Too much lactic acid has built up and muscle failure occurs.<br>
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Lactic acid in no way or form causes you to be sore. You are ripping muscle fibers, and that is what causes soreness. Lactic acid is actually beneficial to the body to a certain extent. The liver likes it

wow all I can say is wow. Open a book maybe take a chemistry class or two. Then take a biology class.

Hydrogen is not a molecule it's an element the most basic element that exists in the universe containing 1 proton and 1 electron. It can not be broken down to any other atom.

Lactic acid is a byproduct or waste product of muscles working. When you type it's produced, shen you stand it is produced. However excessive work of muscles causes a restriction in oxygen and increased waste creating fatigue. This in turn causes a build up of lactic acids due to the blood stream being incapable of circulating it away from the muscles fast enough. This creates the "burning" sensation when lifting, running, or working fast. If it builds up badly enough the feeling will be everywhere. Slow twitch muscles take longer to produce where as fast twitch muscle produce it very quickly. In order to remove it faster stretching is needed which kind of wrings out the acids the way twisting a soaked towel removes water.

Breathing heavy is caused by the need for oxygen is greater than what your lungs can intake. Which can be onset by cardio, or your body preparing for a flight or fight situation. You can reduce this by A making your body used to the exercise to a certain extent and B you can breath deeper before and while exercising. The more % of your lungs used the longer it takes to start breathing heavy. To find this out you will need to see a pulmonary Dr who will put you through many tests to get the accurate reading. Asmatics use 75% or less average person uses 80-90% athletes use 90% and a small percentage (including me) use 100% of there lungs capability. And proffesional brass muscians have been known to use over 100% due expansion of the lungs.

[N2OInferno]

Originally Posted by Medsport

or you could save yourself some money and do what Arnold did when he was getting ready for a contest to see how much fat he had left. Simply stand in front of a mirror with your shirt off and jump up and down a couple times. If you can see something jiggling in the belly area, then you are still fat. If you only see a little bit jiggle than it ok with me as it means your bodyfat is pretty low and it helps to have a little if your trying to gain mass. If your cutting for a contest than you don't want to see much if any. Of course if you see a 6-pack easily there is no need to jump as you are ready as you have no fat...

What if I jumped yesterday, and it's still moving?

haha I'm kidding. I'm not that big. I do think that after the baby is here and the initial stress is worn off that I'm going to start working out again with my wife.

[ScoobahSt3ve]

Originally Posted by theironmonk

wow all I can say is wow. Open a book maybe take a chemistry class or two. Then take a biology class.

Hydrogen is not a molecule it's an element the most basic element that exists in the universe containing 1 proton and 1 electron. It can not be broken down to any other atom.

Lactic acid is a byproduct or waste product of muscles working. When you type it's produced, shen you stand it is produced. However excessive work of muscles causes a restriction in oxygen and increased waste creating fatigue. This in turn causes a build up of lactic acids due to the blood stream being incapable of circulating it away from the muscles fast enough. This creates the "burning" sensation when lifting, running, or working fast. If it builds up badly enough the feeling will be everywhere. Slow twitch muscles take longer to produce where as fast twitch muscle produce it very quickly. In order to remove it faster stretching is needed which kind of wrings out the acids the way twisting a soaked towel removes water.

Breathing heavy is caused by the need for oxygen is greater than what your lungs can intake. Which can be onset by cardio, or your body preparing for a flight or fight situation. You can reduce this by A making your body used to the exercise to a certain extent and B you can breath deeper before and while exercising. The more % of your lungs used the longer it takes to start breathing heavy. To find this out you will need to see a pulmonary Dr who will put you through many tests to get the accurate reading. Asmatics use 75% or less average person uses 80-90% athletes use 90% and a small percentage (including me) use 100% of there lungs capability. And proffesional brass muscians have been known to use over 100% due expansion of the lungs.

Lol sorry i got confused with an element to a molecule.

I did take bio anatomy and exercise physiology. I was talking about hyperventilation after you stop exercising not during. Its the whole oxygen debt/deficit. ITS ONE OF THE REASONS, not THE reason. I guess I forgot to write that.

Lactic Acid still has hydrogen which blocks the cross bridges from activating. All the hydrogen goes to ur stomach. If you push urself hard enough and havent eaten anything, get ready to throw up.


We did the wingate test to test our power. You ride the bike for 30 seconds as fast as you can with resistance (according to your weight). When you get off you feel like ****. Your legs don't want to move, and you begin to hyperventilate. After you breathe normal, the pain dies down... Everyone had the same reaction...

Also, if stretching removes lactic acid, does it just up and disappear like that? It rids it of the muscles, but not our blood. Guess what, if we can't rid the hydrogen out of our blood, its gonna back to our muscles either way.

Once again LA creates the burning, but it goes away and the reason you are sore is because you have tiny tears in ur muscle fibers...

This is one of the main subjects we cover in exercise physiology..I literally had to read the whole damn book and learn everything because we had 5 random questions about the chapter every week. Its about ur VO2 and everything to do with it. I just made a simple mistake calling an element a molecule... shoot me please.

EDIT: Also, the body works much differently when dealing with exercise than with normal/other situations.

[Yomster]

Originally Posted by NJGX03X87

damn... i havent seen u post on here in forever. u been lurkin?

mmmm not really just out alot so i rarely have time to post but good news im getting my car in june

[GenCoupe77]

Originally Posted by theironmonk

wow all I can say is wow. Open a book maybe take a chemistry class or two. Then take a biology class.

Hydrogen is not a molecule it's an element the most basic element that exists in the universe containing 1 proton and 1 electron. It can not be broken down to any other atom.

Actually, maybe you're the one that needs to take a few classes. When 2 hydrogen atoms meet they are joined together by a covalent bond. Each atom then shares two electrons. This fills the space around the atom, in the same way that the 2 electrons around a helium atom do, and give the atom a hard outer shell, making it a hydrogen molecule. (H2)

Wow.

[ScoobahSt3ve]

Originally Posted by GenCoupe77

Actually, maybe you're the one that needs to take a few classes. When 2 hydrogen atoms meet they are joined together by a covalent bond. Each atom then shares two electrons. This fills the space around the atom, in the same way that the 2 electrons around a helium atom do, and give the atom a hard outer shell, making it a hydrogen molecule. (H2)

Wow.

lol..

[theironmonk]

Yes I am aware of diatomic structures. But we are talking about the break down of lactic acid which breaks down into glycogen and hydrogen ions in the liver. In order to obtain it's stable diatomic state you would need to put a sufficiant current into the liver to allow seperation and removal from the blood without bonding. However since electrocution kills organs the body instead bonds the hydrogen ions to deoxyhemoglobin.

[ScoobahSt3ve]

Originally Posted by theironmonk

Yes I am aware of diatomic structures. But we are talking about the break down of lactic acid which breaks down into glycogen and hydrogen ions in the liver. In order to obtain it's stable diatomic state you would need to put a sufficiant current into the liver to allow seperation and removal from the blood without bonding. However since electrocution kills organs the body instead bonds the hydrogen ions to deoxyhemoglobin.

And then how does all the hydrogen get removed from the blood? Through ventilation! Which is part of the reason why you breathe at a much faster rate and continue to breathe at a much faster rate after you stop exercising! Thank you for helping make my point clear

[GenCoupe77]

Originally Posted by ScoobahSt3ve

And then how does all the hydrogen get removed from the blood? Through ventilation! Which is part of the reason why you breathe at a much faster rate and continue to breathe at a much faster rate after you stop exercising! Thank you for helping make my point clear

Bingo!

[RudyH]

So I would like to thank everyone for their suggestions on the bicep work out...I didn't think it would work this quickly. Did drop sets and my arms killed for like 2 days...

The real thank you is the mass muscle I must have built (yes this site is an automotive site so this is car related).

Being a gorgeous day I decided to put my summers on, and retire the winters. Front tires were fine. Then I get to my rear tires. On the first wheel nut on the rear tire I tried, I snapped the spline socket in half with the gorilla strength I had accumulated. I guess it is more chest strength, but I think the bicep work out helped haha...I will post pictures of the casaulty when I get home since I left the socket there. Keep in mind too I was using the Hyundai bar to remove the bolts so it's not like I was using massive amounts of leverage!! haha

[2.0TGT]

Originally Posted by ScoobahSt3ve

Those are the most inaccurate readers you can buy. Like they can be off by 5%. You are better off experimenting with skin calipers.

Im not saying urs are wrong, but a Bod Pod, or hydrostatic weighing is recommended to get a true percentage.

HW is the most accurate reading.

naaah, if you buy a good one and FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS they are quite accurate. Obviously not as good as weighing in water...but thats not something you can have done regularly.

The one I have was recommended by a trainer.

[theironmonk]

Originally Posted by ScoobahSt3ve

And then how does all the hydrogen get removed from the blood? Through ventilation! Which is part of the reason why you breathe at a much faster rate and continue to breathe at a much faster rate after you stop exercising! Thank you for helping make my point clear

Not so fast the deoxyhemoglobin drops majority of the Hydrogen at the kidneys, so it is capable of carrying out CO2 and absorbing O2. Followed by the glycogen being reused for fast twitch muscle which does not function on oxygen.

Once again you "hyperventilate" due to oxygen deprivation meaning your either working harder then your lungs can bring in oxygen or your not breathing properly when you work out.

As for your arms I read a very interesting article that talks about how a lack of muscle strength in your core including your shoulders, back, abdomen and glutes(yes your ass!) can impinge on you arm growth.

[ScoobahSt3ve]

Originally Posted by theironmonk

Not so fast the deoxyhemoglobin drops majority of the Hydrogen at the kidneys, so it is capable of carrying out CO2 and absorbing O2. Followed by the glycogen being reused for fast twitch muscle which does not function on oxygen.

Once again you "hyperventilate" due to oxygen deprivation meaning your either working harder then your lungs can bring in oxygen or your not breathing properly when you work out.

As for your arms I read a very interesting article that talks about how a lack of muscle strength in your core including your shoulders, back, abdomen and glutes(yes your ass!) can impinge on you arm growth.

you obviously have no clue at how the body reacts during exercise... you are talking about at rest or something... Ugh....

Ok Mr you hyperventilate when you are working harder than ur lungs can handle. When i stop working out and AM DOING NO WORK JUST STANDING THERE, why AM I STILL HYPERVENTILATING? BECAUSE I AM RESTORING MY ACID BASE BALANCE IN THE BLOOD... Blood is filled with too much hydrogen ions... Blood gets them out by converting to co2... we ventilate co2... blood becomes more basic... like our body wants.... Our body hates acid.. mission accomplished, breathing slows...

**** THIS IS NOT THE MAIN REASON WE VENTILATE ITS PART OF THE REASON****


Do you really want me to bring out my book and write the damn chemistry formulas for you since you obviously are an expert in that.... I had a whole damn 30 page lab report that I did on this with all the tests.

Research lactate/ventilatory threshold.. it will explain a lot to you....

As for the last part, you are correct, strengthening ur core, is the easiest way to strengthen the rest of ur body. Its all biomechanics which is another course I took.

Thats why I always recommend squats, but especially deadlifts. Deadlifting is one of the bests lifts you can do for ur whole body, including core.

Low back pain is also one of the biggest problems with people. A lot of the time cause they are fat and weak. smoking cause low back pain. Dead lifting also helps with this.

[dwpers]

Most of the stuff that GNC sells is border line illegal and bad for you. The only thing I get is Optimum Nutrition 100% Natural Whey Protein.

[Accord2Genesis]

Just my two cents on the whole supplement subject... many people put WAY too much emphasis on protein powder, and not enough on the amount of protein and healthy/nutritious foods in their diet! Forget spending a ton of money on the best "whey protein isolate" out there. The difference in protein powders is marginal. Same goes for most other supplements. L-arginine/nitric oxide stimulating agents actually produce no increased strength/size gains. This is proven through clinical trials. Caffeine and creatine are as of now the only proven supplements to enhance strength training. I'm in my last year of pharmacy school, and have also taken quite a few classes on fitness/sports nutrition. This is also coming from someone who has gone from 120 pounds to 170 pounds, keeping rather low bodyfat percentage, and making huge strength gains.

Don't even get me started on prohormones/steroids! hah

Also have to "lol" at Matt vs NJGX03X87 at the beginning of this thread, and NJGX03X87 saying creatine is an electrolyte. He's throwing the typical "broscience" bullsh*t out there. Matt knows what hes talking about.

[Iceman]

I've been severely lacking motivation to go lately.. I'm not a morning person so going before work is out of the question, but then after work I feel sluggish and the gym is usually packed like a can of sardines between 5 - 8pm so it takes forever to go through a workout. I'm only 25, wtf is happening to my testosterone.. I remember when I was 18-19 you couldn't drag me out of that place, and now it's a complete opposite

[NJGX03X87]

Originally Posted by Iceman

I've been severely lacking motivation to go lately.. I'm not a morning person so going before work is out of the question, but then after work I feel sluggish and the gym is usually packed like a can of sardines between 5 - 8pm so it takes forever to go through a workout. I'm only 25, wtf is happening to my testosterone.. I remember when I was 18-19 you couldn't drag me out of that place, and now it's a complete opposite

just do what i do... look at pictures of brandons mom for motivation