Originally Posted by ByByCavalier

Huh?

Canadian trims and prices are a different. Pwned bought his 2.0T premium for 22.5k, and is comparing that to the cost of a 3.8 base of the same year, $33k. This makes sense because I have a 3.8 base, same year as pwned and bought it for that amount, $33k. So this justifies his earlier comment, that he would rather save that ~$10k and put it towards mods. Keep in mind that in Canada the base 3.8 has more options than the premium 2.0T, besides just a bigger engine from the factory.

On topic, when meeting owners in person I have rarely, if ever, witnesses any animosity between the two engine types. Sure there is some joking conversation between owners in real life, but I think all this 2.0T vs 3.8 stuff is exaggerated on the internet as people tend to let their maturity slip in an online environment and forget to keep their e-peens in their pants. So, from REAL LIFE experiences I can't say that I have noticed that either side is nicer than the other. It's just not a big deal in reality.

Originally Posted by AXIS

I went onto the Canadian Hyundai site, Price 27,899 Premium 2.0MT and 29,399 2.0AT cheapest 3.8 32.999. not seeing a 10K difference. It doesn't matter what you get a car for its the actual price. anyone can get a deal on a car and call it a 10 15k difference

Originally Posted by JewishThunder

That's a handjob mishap waiting to happen.

Originally Posted by Lauren

I can make it intense or slow it down.

Originally Posted by ByByCavalier

Geez Axis, arguing semantics here. As pwned said, it's still enough to allow to some decent modifications to a 2.0T, getting you more torque and the same horsepower.

This is wandering into the realm of another 2.0 vs 3.8 thread...

Originally Posted by JewishThunder

That's a handjob mishap waiting to happen.

Originally Posted by Lauren

I can make it intense or slow it down.

Originally Posted by pwned88

Plus, I'm forever jealous of ByBycav for his OSGeiken twin plate *shakesfist*

Originally Posted by CrookedH

The list of 2.0Ts over 350whp absolutely dwarfs the list of 3.8s over 350whp. The list of 2.0Ts over 300whp still beats out the list of 3.8s over 300whp. Its painfully obvious that if you want to make <=350-375whp the 2.0t is easier and cheaper to get there. Have some motors popped on the way to finding the limits of the car? Yep, but it just shows that people are trying new things and figuring out all the kinks along the way.

Reeeeeeeeeally? Reaaaaaaaaaally? It's not hard to dwarf ~0. There's what, a rear mount turbo, Jay's TT. Am I missing anyone? lol. What do you expect when a stroker kit is, what was it, $6k? headers do nothing for the car, and cams are all custom reground for $2k+

You're looking at about $4700 to get turbo, clutch, fmic, injectors, tbe, intake, and a tune for easily 350-375whp.


Of course a boosted 3.8 could make more power than a boosted 2.0. Anyone who thinks otherwise is crazy. The point is that so far only 3 or 4 boosted V6s are on the forums, 3 years after the release of the car. That shows that the V6 target market is people who don't want to mod much. There's nothing wrong with that but it seems some people just cant accept the fact. I'm sure there are plenty of 3.8 owners who could plunk down the cash for a nice custom f/i setup but barely any of them have.

Aww come on man. This is such a fail argument. Putting the availability of mods on the consumer? This is AMURICKA! Land of greed and gluttony....err...opportunity. It's up to the mfr to go, hmm, lot of owners here, lets develop a product for them, go out on a limb and see if there's some interest. A weekend mechanic can't be expected to have the 10 or 15k it takes to R&D, build, and tune a custom FI app for an NA motor. If you're measuring by that standard, then I'd say it's closer to even between ambitious (or fiscally insane) 2.0T owners and 3.8 owners, the difference being that up until recently, every 3.8 project fell apart at the tuning stage. How many FI 3.8 projects were "coming to market" only to get dropped after all the building got done and it got down to tuning, I'd say just as many as the forum has 2.0 owners pushing out serious whp. It's fine to be the guinea pig and buy the first kit out and pay 7k or 8k for it where people a year or two later are paying 5 or 6, but you're trying to compare building on a platform that's boosted from the factory, that you literally can just swap parts for to get more power, to a platform that needs to be completely rebuilt custom and saying the 2.0 is better for tuning because of it? I think that's pretty low. "we have parts and you don't, so we're better, someone unlocked our ECU nobody unlocked yours, so we're better"? Pshhhhh


If turbokits setup comes in below $5000 I'd be surprised. Eventually you'll need a new clutch too so add another $700-$1000 to that. BTRcc has already said they don't like pushing the V6 past 375-400whp on stock internals, so you're looking at the same power as the 2.0T with similar or slightly more invested. Judging by SFRs tuning of the kit it's not lagless by any means either. It'll even the playing field a bit but you're still looking at paying more for the same power.

I didn't say below 5 i said below 6. I expect it to be 7999.99 lol. All tk.com said was "more than 4 less than 8" and everyone goes, under 5! just like that inane post that jay is giving cams out for 2k and the rotrex sc is 3500. WHAT? Bad trollz iz bad!

Yes, BTRcc said that, and Jay also has a TT at what, like 550 wheel or is it 580? On stock internals and it hasn't popped yet. I've been around since early 2010 on different handles, I remember when the overhead was essentially nothing, then somebody pushed to 325, 350, 375, 400. By early reports half the 2.0ts with bolt ons and a tune should be dead right now. How many psi does it take to push out 400 wheel on the 2.0t? how big a turbo? Cuz uh, I'm pretty sure that Jay's dyno came back 415 or so with a dyno error not recording after a little short of 6krpm. Which would put this tk.com kit at 450ish wheel at 9psi if I recall and 400 wheel at 7.5. There's just a little bit of headroom over that I think. So if we're talking about HAVING to build internals because the stocker is weak....well, jeez, I guess that means you're definately....WRONG. . I'd be more than happy to sink the 2k into rods and pistons and turn that sucker up to 18 (and then pop my rear lol)


And to say the 2.0Ts are complaining about the NSPP is simply hilarious. I think there were like 5 2.0T owners who actually bought it and did make power, but ran really lean. There were dozens of 3.8 owners who got ripped off by RRM by making no power or losing some power with the NSPP. I'm not saying it was the V6 guys fault or anything, as it was a shitty situation, just correcting your correction.


This was just a funny for red raspberry becuz y he is so serious? He need MOAR LOL. (if you don't get it, read his sig)

Bottom line is, the 2.0 is "better" right now. And it's because it's cheaper. It shares a lot in common with the evoX. You need 1 less manifold, 1 less mid pipe, 2 less cats, 2 less pistons, 2 less rods, and a lot less overall to see gains. All it will take is 1 SC and 1 TC kit to change the balance of power. And it looks like () we'll have both at the end of the month. Until then, it's not an apples to apples comparison. There is basically no aftermarket for the 3.8 beyond the showcar bullshit and some okay bolt ons. With a reasonably priced aftermarket of bonafide power parts, the 3.8 is gonna end up looking like the Italian Stallion at the end of Rocky IV. You vill not break us.

Cuz, lets be real man. there's a 5-6k difference between Rspec and Track and the track is a hell of a lot nicer than the Rspec. And don't even try to say that it's purely a power comparison, because if you bought a car just to make power, it wouldn't be a GC. You bought a GC because you like how it looks and what it has for the price and you want to make power. Otherwise, every 3.8 guy would have gone and bought a base mustang GT for the same price and all the 2.0T guys woulda bought...whatever you weird little turbo 4 bangers buy that's cheap and makes power...lol. An SRT4 or a cobalt SS or a 240sx or something idk! lol.

Originally Posted by BKED

Wasn't this a 2.0T vs 3.8 thread to begin with?????? and by the way, everyone knows that 3.8 owners are nicer 2.0T owners are shitheads. I'm gonna kick all their teeth in (substitute religions for 2.0T and 3.8 and it can get pretty funny in ur head)