peteypab2133

Nope, you can buy lowering springs, and if you are really cheap you can just cut your springs you have now.. Not really safe, but if no one makes something, you become the fabricator.

Springs are cheap, and they often kill struts and shocks.

Teins normally run around $200.00 and eibachs are a little more just becuse a place like tire rack plays em!


I am doing it the right way with this car getting some nice coilovers.

CKurt3

Ok I see. I would just do coilovers then.

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FRCDAIR

damn....wonder what offset he is running...those rears fit perfectly.

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N2OInferno

Don't cut springs if you're not an engineer. It can be done safely, regardless what people tell you, but 99% of the time people just clip a coil or two and it's not right. You have to take into account how the spring rate has adjusted and a bunch of other stuff..

On to aftermarket springs.. I'll first start by saying... What? Springs are cheap and kill struts and shocks? Since when? Yes, a poorly matched setup will probably ruin you, like slapping some 2.5" drop springs on stock struts, but I've seen many, many vehicles use a mild 1-1.5" drop and stock struts/shocks without it "killing" them any sooner than the stock springs would. Modding any part of the car can "kill" something else if it's done to an extreme and other measures aren't put into place to balance out the whole equation.

Saying coilovers is doing it the right way is greatly opinionated and it depends all on what the owner wants out of the vehicle. It's doing it the right way if you want to be adjusting the height up and down constantly, or going to the track and needing to make compression and rebound adjustments for racing purposes. But if you're just going to set one height and be done with it, unless you want a super slammed drop, a proper spring/shock combo is the way to go. I did the coilovers before. Yes they were sick and I could slam my car, but the ride comparison is night and day, and I never found myself adjusting them. I'm more convinced now that air is the way to go if you just want to drop it a ton.

CKurt3

Maybe I can have your mothers sit on the roof

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peteypab2133

You must be into neon lights, suicide doors, bodykits and big stereo systems then right? only ricers or mexicans run air (hopefully i dont offend future mexian american genesis owners)

As soon as the search function works again on EVOm i will post up as much information as you can handle on how "certain" style lowering springs can damage struts or shocks. If spring rates are not calculated properly, then a spring can be lower, but also TOO soft, allowing to much travel end resulting in potentially damaging blows to the struts and shocks. Its not a joke. The number one culprit of this is........ TEIN S-TECHS they are murderers of stock suspension

Why would you wanna add compressors weight into the trunk and tanks.

Coilovers end up being LIGHTER than the stock setup. So its not my "opinion" i was stating a fact.

So when i said i was going to do it right, i simply meant i was not going to cheap out and buy lowering springs. I will take my rough ride over a saggy soft one any day of the week.

peteypab2133

U are from pittsburgh, i would have no trouble bringing her over... but i charge by the hour. Help me with my down payment

Tufast

I agree that N2OInferno was right in saying do not cut your springs. Also, correct in saying coil overs or the correct match up of springs & struts will work. Depending on if you want to be able to adjust height for track days etc, choose coil overs. I disagree with the airgbags scenario though, not a wise choice IMO for performance, maybe for car shows etc...

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peteypab2133

Lets consider doing it that way though.
Springs about $300.00 for a set
Shocks $200.00 for all 4
and struts would be about $70 each or so i would imagine. so like another 280

300+200+280 roughly $800 for a pieced together setup that has no customization at all, and really is not configured to handle any better.

Where as you can get a set of coilovers for about the same maybe another $150-200

then again, if you can shave 10 pounds per corner with coilovers thats a quick 40 pounds right there off the car.

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CKurt3

Lol my friend's ricer brother has airbags on his CIVIC (not SI)... so rediculous, he has to park his car a certain way somehow because it like lets the air out of the bags or something its so stupid.

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Tufast

I agree Petey, I'm going for coil overs on mine when I get around to it. For weight savings & the abiltity to adjust. But, on my BMW, I'm just installing a set of Koni yellow adjustables because they work well with the factory M-tech springs. Many other e39 owners have tried this set up & it works. I'm not as interested in weight savings on that car & do not plan on adjusting the height once I get it set. CKurt3 was asking if coil overs was the only way to adjust the height of a car & I was wanting to give viable options.

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N2OInferno

But it is an opinion petey. I appreciate you coming out with the racist and bigoted comments though.

And I bet you actually know how to properly set up a coilover system other than "well these are set to the same height and shock settings," and you probably have all the right equipment to corner balance the car too to divide the weight out evenly among the vehicle while you're in the driver's seat. I mean, that is the right way after all. Weight savings, maybe a couple pounds probably, yeah. I don't remember my coils being 10lbs lighter per unit than an aftermarket spring and a koni shock. Springs will destroy a stock shock if they're too low. Get something with a shorter body and travel and then you're setting yourself up for a better scenario.

I didn't say go air for performance. I said go air if you want to just get low. It rides better than coils and goes lower too. Wins shows too. Hence me saying "I'm more convinced now that air is the way to go if you just want to drop it a ton."
Maybe it's just me coming from a veedub community where people tend to be a lot more open about what they do to modify their car, but you can't argue that you won't get this low on coils. Not even FKs.


I'm also willing to bet you wouldn't call Troy Trepanier a ricer for putting airbags on the 66 Biscayne "Chicane" with about 1100 horsepower.

If so, you get to contend with all of the awards he's won from SEMA and many publications and shows.

roddy

ya dude, whats up with the negativity from his opinion?

for the thrifty, buying springs, then shocks and struts separtely is a good option, just as long as you're picking exactly what u need.

and i don't knwo much about air ride, except the sickest vip cars have them. so i don

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The biggest problem with springs is the factor that even with a mild setup everything has to be readjusted. 90% of the people who buy springs don't do this and usually end up blowing there shocks and struts and even eating tires.

Coilovers are a pain because you need them balanced everytime you change heights or else you may loose traction.

Basically you need to ask yourself why are you changing your suspension? Looks go with springs, track performance go coilovers, because it's available go with some other mod.

roddy

i've been running on stock shocks and struts for 4 years, on a 1.5 inch drop. and the car rides perfectly fine.

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Tufast

Companies offer spring/strut combo set ups for my e39 that are supposed to work well together & have been tested to do so. Eventually, they will offer them for the GenCoupe as well. For instance:

Koni FSD Damper Set & Springs Product Details | Reviews
The performance characteristics of this product place it in all performance categories.

Ride Height: Moderate Lowering

Note: Avg Low 1.3"F 1.0"R
Front and Rear Dampers PLUS Eibach Lowering Springs Lowering amount may vary with options. Not for EDC-equipped vehicles

Price: $1,140.00 (kit)
Estimated Availability: Fewer than 3
Manufacturer Part #: 2150-4030

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FlesHBoX

I'm going to need coilovers for the adjustability. For every day driving I won't be able to have more than a 1.5 in drop on it I am betting because of my driveway, but for tracking and showing, I want to be able to get a bit lower...

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peteypab2133

sorry if i made you sad, but i do have all that equipment at my disposal. locally i have a buddy who operates a lift with a complete laser alignment system, and a guy who dials in coilovers for companies like DMS who sells $5000.00/20,000 sets of professional coilovers to rally teams etc etc.

As also shown, most people will buy just the springs and not the shocks/struts becuase they feel "mine are still brand new" why upgrade them.

And also shown by tufast that they sell a basic spring/strut/shock kit for like $1140.00

A very nice set of fully adjustable coilovers are perfect and seemingly a lot less in price.

See, what sucks about this car, is there will an extreme amount of corner cutters who sell their tiburons or elantras (no offense to any of the previous owners) and **** the bed when they see a set of coilovers is a grand, or a turbo back exhaust is going to be like $900/1100 and will see pepboys putting mufflers on the stock exhaust just for that sick added sound.

This is not going to be the same kinda car, and i really think a different mindset will be needed when this car hits driveways.

But, thats fine, rice the car up. When you are doing light speed out on the highway, and attempt to make the curve dont blame the car when you are talking to the insurance company. YOU HAVE TO PAY TO PLAY.

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perhaps h&r will make a touring kit or cup kit for the genesis. its basically a shock/spring combo and work really well. theyre basically bilstein shocks with the h&r race(cup kit) or sport spring(touring kit).

i never thought about the potential buyers getting a genesis and rice'ing it out as peteypab noted. i would think that this car would attract a more mature audience, imo. then again i do see riced out bimmers every know and then(particularly e46).

im more concerned about all these people who have never owned a rwd car and crashing these cars which would inevitably raise insurance rates on the rest of us.
maybe when the car comes out, we should have a sticky on how to drive a rwd car.

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No hurt feelings here, just hate it when people come in and post that their word is god, especially while slandering others on the forum.

It's good that you have that stuff at your disposal. Most people throw the stuff on there and call it a day. I'd say that 99% of the people that do end up with coils on this car have no idea how to adjust them and don't have the utilities to do so anyway. Then you run the risk that there's quite a few performance shops out there that don't know how to properly prep coilovers but they offer the service anyway.

As far as prices go from my perspective, a grand for coils is cheap. Turbo back for 1100 isn't bad either. In the Euro scene you can easily add a few hundred, if not a thousand, for the same parts. But yeah people are going to cut corners and do whatever they want to save the most money. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. If you can spend less with the same result, that's the way to go. APR and AWE both make nice downpipes for the 2.0TFSI engine used by Audi and VW, one costs significantly less. Makes more power generally too.

Risking safety is stupid on anyone's account, especially when it gets to the point that you're risking the safety of not only yourself, but others around you. Anyone excessively speeding on the highway so much so that it exceeds the limits of the vehicle and/or the driver is in for a world of trouble, no matter what they've done to their car. Keep that stuff for the track.