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FINALLY!!!! THEY MADE IT!!! i was emailing them for months to make this for our car.

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https://www.gencoupe.com/2-0t/86146-wastegate-101-a.html
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Hmmm who's first to buy and test?
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i want to knwo who sells it?

I am not a list of mods but what i know and share:
https://www.gencoupe.com/2-0t/94778-fuel-system-what-you-need-know.html
https://www.gencoupe.com/2-0t/86146-wastegate-101-a.html
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etc?! Lol I spent top dollar for nothin! Lol whatever. Still love my LSD.

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you get what you pay for...

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anyone want to go into driftting or hard core traacking i wouldn't recommend this.

this is for guys like me that are ganna go to the 1/4 or little fun on highways or parking lots.

theres a buntch of great reviews for this on 240sx and 350z's

I am not a list of mods but what i know and share:
https://www.gencoupe.com/2-0t/94778-fuel-system-what-you-need-know.html
https://www.gencoupe.com/2-0t/86146-wastegate-101-a.html
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what exactly does this improve?

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for the most of us that don't have a r-spec or a trakc model this, for a fraction of the price, gives us 1-way LSD... more like .75LSD, getting playing of the 1.5LSD... ya.

You know how 1.5-way is like a 2 way only it has tq control, so ligth soft tq/throttle= no lsd, but when you gun it it locks up?

well this offers the 1way lsd but wih the same tq trigger. phantom on there website has a "upgraded" spring to change when the LSD locks. this isn't going to give the LSD during decelaration or under accelaration, when i nee it the most.

and as you can see in the video this isn't hard to install

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https://www.gencoupe.com/2-0t/86146-wastegate-101-a.html
https://www.gencoupe.com/2-0t/91199-compressor-maps-how-read-them.html

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ahh i see thanks for info. yeah this makes sense now and a definite must need upgrade for non rspec/track models. yeah the install looks so basic a trained monkey could do it.

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Trained monkey or not, I still need to know what it does: hope it's NOT a lock-up weld-type no slippage allowed differential insert: I do a lot of in-town driving. Plus, I just installed two new rear tires.
Will it give me two wheel traction when accelerating hard to avoid a one wheel spin?
Will it lock up and give me two wheel spin in a hard under power turn?
and finally, ballpark figure... how many pesos?
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Trained monkey or not, I still need to know what it does: hope it's NOT a lock-up weld-type no slippage allowed differential insert: I do a lot of in-town driving. Plus, I just installed two new rear tires.
Will it give me two wheel traction when accelerating hard to avoid a one wheel spin?
Will it lock up and give me two wheel spin in a hard under power turn?
and finally, ballpark figure... how many pesos?
It does allow in towwn, unless you get the high tensin spring like i mentioned.

I mean, if your city driving is like


then no don't buy this. i'm so getting this, i just do't know if i should buy a totaled open diff from a 3.8 with different end ratio or stick to my dif.

I am not a list of mods but what i know and share:
https://www.gencoupe.com/2-0t/94778-fuel-system-what-you-need-know.html
https://www.gencoupe.com/2-0t/86146-wastegate-101-a.html
https://www.gencoupe.com/2-0t/91199-compressor-maps-how-read-them.html

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It's a spring based LSD.

-It won't last too long.
-It won't always work the way you want it to.
-It's cheap.

If you want quality buy a Quaife or Kaaz.. stay away from this **** if you're into road racing/drifting. You'd be doing a whole lot of work for little to no gains.
i've read a lot of people say this, but no one actually bought it and tested it, they just said "hey this sucks". nothing is better then REAL LSD, but at 1/3-1/4 the price.... kinda like saying "if you don't have brembo's babys will die". i've search a lot forum and i've read a lot of GOOD reviews on this, one was a 240sx drifter, used the same dif on 4 different cars and all used as weekend warrior and the thing held up. I'm not sure 100% how it works, but when i contacts phantom they mentioned there was a way of increasing its trigger point. Add: i foudnit it has a "green" and "gold/yellow" spring. Green requires more tq, so it activates less, gold more of a "all the time""

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i know there are some bad review, people don't like the install 99% of it. or they installed wrong an they blame the instructions.

I have contacted them, and they say, even for people with a lot fo mechanical DIY skill, they recommend performance shop or any reputable transmission/drivetrain shop.

I am not a list of mods but what i know and share:
https://www.gencoupe.com/2-0t/94778-fuel-system-what-you-need-know.html
https://www.gencoupe.com/2-0t/86146-wastegate-101-a.html
https://www.gencoupe.com/2-0t/91199-compressor-maps-how-read-them.html

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for people that drive their car during winters this is actually better than a real lsd .. it helps locking both wheels but doesn't lockup as hard as a clutch lsd .. it's better than a clutch type for daily driving yet still offers traction if one wheel is in the air .. the lockup is just fine to help in straight line or on slippery surfaces but not hard enough to decrease driveability
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i've read a lot of people say this, but no one actually bought it and tested it, they just said "hey this sucks". nothing is better then REAL LSD, but at 1/3-1/4 the price.... kinda like saying "if you don't have brembo's babys will die". i've search a lot forum and i've read a lot of GOOD reviews on this, one was a 240sx drifter, used the same dif on 4 different cars and all used as weekend warrior and the thing held up. I'm not sure 100% how it works, but when i contacts phantom they mentioned there was a way of increasing its trigger point. Add: i foudnit it has a "green" and "gold/yellow" spring. Green requires more tq, so it activates less, gold more of a "all the time""

Phantom Grip LSD. Any good? - Page 2 - Mazda MX6 Forums: MX6 Forum
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My personal review of the Phantom Grip diff



i know there are some bad review, people don't like the install 99% of it. or they installed wrong an they blame the instructions.

I have contacted them, and they say, even for people with a lot fo mechanical DIY skill, they recommend performance shop or any reputable transmission/drivetrain shop.


This is a crap product, and not worth the effort to install. You might save some money on the part, but if you aren't installing it yourself, you'll lose all that money to extra installation cost. These things don't work in any way that is helpful for making you faster on a track. Phantom Grip has been around forever, and has sucked forever. I've been seeing people using phantom grip parts for over 5 years now, and their general synopsis is always " It's not as good as I was hoping for or wanted". " Shredded my spider gears" . " Clicks loudly when it engages" etc etc

Those review threads you posted are all for FWD grocery getter cars ( Protege, maxima, mazda 6 ). If you're serious about any type of track performance other than drag racing, just don't bother with this product. Just spend the extra money and get a Quaife

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This is a crap product, and not worth the effort to install. You might save some money on the part, but if you aren't installing it yourself, you'll lose all that money to extra installation cost. These things don't work in any way that is helpful for making you faster on a track. Phantom Grip has been around forever, and has sucked forever. I've been seeing people using phantom grip parts for over 5 years now, and their general synopsis is always " It's not as good as I was hoping for or wanted". " Shredded my spider gears" . " Clicks loudly when it engages" etc etc

Those review threads you posted are all for FWD grocery getter cars ( Protege, maxima, mazda 6 ). If you're serious about any type of track performance other than drag racing, just don't bother with this product. Just spend the extra money and get a Quaife

please reffer to post #8, where i clearly say "not for track".... did you read it, cause you obviously skipped post 1-16. Your refering to "track" i'm not.... i said early great for cheap DD LSD and ambitious DIY'er.

like davidp and me said, there are benefits, not $1000+ LSD benefits, but $300 benefits. 1/3 the price a 1/3 the reward,but for some of us we are only looking for that 1/3 and the other 2/3 is just over kill. myself nor anyone else should think this is cheap replacement for LSD. But, like brembos, without doing road course tracking or higher end autocross, don't buy this, spend the extra money on a real LSD.

I am not a list of mods but what i know and share:
https://www.gencoupe.com/2-0t/94778-fuel-system-what-you-need-know.html
https://www.gencoupe.com/2-0t/86146-wastegate-101-a.html
https://www.gencoupe.com/2-0t/91199-compressor-maps-how-read-them.html

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please reffer to post #8, where i clearly say "not for track".... did you read it, cause you obviously skipped post 1-16. Your refering to "track" i'm not.... i said early great for cheap DD LSD and ambitious DIY'er.

like davidp and me said, there are benefits, not $1000+ LSD benefits, but $300 benefits. 1/3 the price a 1/3 the reward,but for some of us we are only looking for that 1/3 and the other 2/3 is just over kill. myself nor anyone else should think this is cheap replacement for LSD. But, like brembos, without doing road course tracking or higher end autocross, don't buy this, spend the extra money on a real LSD.

I guess my only point was- what is the point of doing all of that work, and still spending some money for parts and maybe install, and getting such limited benefits. You're kidding yourself if you think this thing is 1/3 of a real LSD, not even close, not even remotely close, in any conceivable way. For starters, it wouldn't survive a single track day ( we at least agree on that much ), or perform as good as the factory LSD does in any situation. If you want to go the budget route, get a used factory LSD. It's 650-700 bucks and is definitely 75% as good as a Quaife. You can buy it as a complete assembly too, limiting the labor time and installation complexity by a large margin.

Just my .02 on this particular product, i've met a lot of people that have used it. It's been around in the VW community since 2008 or maybe even earlier than that.

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