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I can see where you are coming from. I would not want a replacement radiator just cut my ties with the company get a refund and move on. Lesson learned!

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Sure thing Blyatt. I don't think I ever stated that I want a replacement. The day of return/refund needs to come here already, it's been too long!
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Yesterday afternoon I received a call from Nick @Mishimoto ; basically he started asking me exactly the same questions as John, so I just asked him to take a look at what John and I have talked about already.

I was asked to drive the car without bumper to see if temperatures would drop and I immediately had to refuse because one, it's against the law to drive without bumper and I will get a ticket; two, I live right next to Sheriff's station, so no, don't even want to try.

Nick had also asked something about the "official" install guide they have on the website and asked whether if I followed it........ He said that nobody else has that huge gap between the radiator and AC condenser, so it could be because I didn't follow the instructions........ He was also curious regarding me having to shorten the hoses, he said that normally this is not necessary. I had to explain (again) that because the radiator is pushed towards the engine (further than OEM), the hoses became too long and would not fit unless I trimmed them. Again, the upper one had to be trimmed anyway due to installing the hose adapter for my water gauge but the lower one was way too long to fit.

I mean, don't get me wrong - I appreciate the follow up; however, I feel like the same questions get asked and it is somewhat annoying to having to repeat myself every time. I thought we already came up to conclusion and the return/refund was granted. I don't think there's much more to troubleshoot.
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No sir....... Right now I am strictly working with @Enjuku Racing to get this resolved because I am officially tired of Mishimoto due to having to deal with multiple people and having to repeat myself over and over multiple times.

This thread was created for them (my way of logging) and I think they hardly look at it.

[email protected] already granted the refund few posts above (because this is what I want) and yesterday [email protected] said that Mishimoto wanted to REPLACE the radiator. I said NO. Just NO...
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Sure thing Blyatt. I don't think I ever stated that I want a replacement. The day of return/refund needs to come here already, it's been too long!
As noted previously, we apologize for the delay in response during the progression of attempting to diagnose your concerns. Our goal was to eliminate any additional variables that could be causing the higher temperatures. With so many factors, diagnosing over the phone and through message boards is quite a challenge. As we discussed earlier, our Genesis radiator has not exhibited such issues in the past which is why we were asking about other factors.

I spoke with Nick yesterday and we have decided to issue a return/refund for you. We will be asking that the radiator is returned for further evaluation by our team.

Sorry for the poor experience you have had. Let me know if you have issues with the return progress.

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As noted previously, we apologize for the delay in response during the progression of attempting to diagnose your concerns. Our goal was to eliminate any additional variables that could be causing the higher temperatures. With so many factors, diagnosing over the phone and through message boards is quite a challenge. As we discussed earlier, our Genesis radiator has not exhibited such issues in the past which is why we were asking about other factors.
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That's actually not true. Otherwise there wouldn't be videos on the internet of people taking hammers to their Mishimoto radiators after months of fighting with your customer service on the poor performance of the cores.
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Just FYI, there have been massive complaints about the Mishimoto radiator ranging from poor cooling ability to constant coolant leaks.
I don't think Snoop is gonna lie AND I have seen those videos too... If I paid close to $300 for a part that is advertised to lower the coolant temperature - that's what I expect it to do, and if it does otherwise - there's no reason to have it on my car. I did everything I could on my end and unfortunately without much success.

On the side note, since I know for a FACT that the OEM radiator is just fine, I decided to buy a CSF radiator, which gets installed tomorrow. I can't wait to see the difference. I sure will post the logs here.

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I spoke with Nick yesterday and we have decided to issue a return/refund for you. We will be asking that the radiator is returned for further evaluation by our team.

Sorry for the poor experience you have had. Let me know if you have issues with the return progress.

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I did receive the email and the prepaid shipping label - which was nice of you, so thank you for this... I will pack it over the weekend and send it to you first thing on Monday.
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I definitely want to hear about the CSF
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Well, here I go:

Guys, all I can say is - I wish I just went with CSF in the first place... The fitment is spot on, the gap between the rad and the AC condenser is MINIMAL. Nothing had to be cut or trimmed underneath. If I went with CSF - I could have saved and would not have to cut the fan shroud EVEN with my IC pipes and everything. The thing just looks fuqin beautiful. The ONLY thing that I had to do is to drill out the upper passenger side condenser mount hole, so Snoop was correct on that - but that's not that big of a deal compared to what I had to go through with Mishimoto... Best of all - I CAN USE MY OEM COOLANT TANK!!! AND IT DOESN'T EVEN TOUCH THE COLD PIPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOHOO!!!!!

Now to the temperature. After I bled the system, I just went and drove the living ish out of my car. I saved the old coolant and reused it and just as I expected, I now see the perfect temperature. The fan came on for like 10 seconds at the traffic light and the second I started moving I never heard it again. I drove the car for almost 3 hours PUSHING it at every light and NEVER ever it went above 190 degrees. Once I go above 55 MPH, the temps were at 179-183F... I just simply could not believe my eyes and already smacked myself a million times for not going with CSF the first time. Snoopy is correct on doing things right the first time, listen to him, the dude speaks the truth; lesson learned. The Mishimoto goes back tomorrow. If you are shopping for a radiator - learn on my mistakes and do the right thing first time...







What had to be fixed with CSF:



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So glad to see your coolant temp issue resolved at last and that you're happy with the CSF.
I'll pass these images off to my guy there so he can forward it to the jig people and hopefully get that one bracket fitment issue corrected going forward.

I love it when I see people happy with products I support.
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So glad to see your coolant temp issue resolved at last and that you're happy with the CSF.
I'll pass these images off to my guy there so he can forward it to the jig people and hopefully get that one bracket fitment issue corrected going forward.

I love it when I see people happy with products I support.
Me too man! I should have gone with CSF at the very beginning, not only it actually does what it supposed to, it was also cheaper than Mishimoto... That bracket is really not that big of a deal, compared to what I had to do with Mishimoto... Now, I am on a lookout for a new fan shroud since it was totally raped after Mishi install and at this point it is only held by 2 screws... I am glad that I was able to reuse my coolant expansion tank. No complains about CSF, I would highly recommend it!
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I'm glad you're all settled. Eventually, I'm planning on doing the same swap, so this thread has greatly assisted in what I wanted to know about the CSF.

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Glad it helped it man!
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Nobody has a 3.8L fan the can measure the diameter of the blade?????

I see looking at my shroud the overflow bottle nest right up against the fan guard, so if the fan is bigger it would be more offset to the passenger side.

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Nobody has a 3.8L fan the can measure the diameter of the blade?????

I see looking at my shroud the overflow bottle nest right up against the fan guard, so if the fan is bigger it would be more offset to the passenger side.
If the size from a 2015 3.8 will help I'll find my tape measure and step outside... I just have no idea if it may have changed.
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By the way, do not buy parts from fourgreen web site I've mentioned earlier.... The shroud was $25, $26 was the shipping.... I paid, and 3 days later they send me another $35 invoice for additional shipping... Might as well just get it somewhere else and not wait 3-4 weeks for delivery.
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According to my parts catalogue, the fan blades themselves are different between 2.0T and 3.8. What the exact difference is, I don't know.
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According to my parts catalogue, the fan blades themselves are different between 2.0T and 3.8. What the exact difference is, I don't know.
Yes the fan blades, the motors and the shrouds are all different between the 2L and 3.8L

What I need to know is can I mount my 2L fan in a 3.8L shroud. I need the 3.8L shroud to fit the 3.8L radiator mount points. The shroud I have now is a bit busted up.

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Yes the fan blades, the motors and the shrouds are all different between the 2L and 3.8L

What I need to know is can I mount my 2L fan in a 3.8L shroud. I need the 3.8L shroud to fit the 3.8L radiator mount points. The shroud I have now is a bit busted up.
Why not and just buy the whole 3.8 assembly? I saw a few on ebay for the 3.8... I have not found anything for 2L there unfortunately.
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Why not and just buy the whole 3.8 assembly? I saw a few on ebay for the 3.8... I have not found anything for 2L there unfortunately.
I don't know if the connector is the same. And I only need the shroud.

I saw a new OEM 3.8L shroud on ebay for ~$90 shipped the other day.

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I need the 2L shroud myself... Dealer wants $150 - not happening. Mine rattles and everything, plus my custom block off plate got chewed finally after a car wash :P I went ahead and ordered the BR block off plate.
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I'm fighting this issue also Lol I installed the mishimoto race intercooler and race radiator and thermostat and have no room for coolant overflow, now I've had to add synapse bov since the car went bat **** crazy so now I def have no room and can't get anything to fit, the mishimoto kit def wasn't direct fit like they claim, I've contacted customer service. Was asked for pics so I sent them, no response then got an email that claim was closed as resolved, without being resolved, what's sad is I'm a vendor that sells this stuff so I'm suppose to sell this to my customers with this kind of support??

I also had to shorten their own rad hoses, have the same gap between the rad and condenser, no moving at all since it IS sitting on their brackets and bolted together lol so no excuse there...piping didn't fit for crap or line up at all, can't even get the lower part of the wheel liner back on since it hits the piping as well piping rubs on both sides, I also had to cut off the bottom part of the fan and I even had to cut off the hooks on their radiator since it was hitting the silicone 90 for the piping, like wedging into it...also noticed temps getting high above 200, 200-220 in fact even in the highway...so after the dragon trip (if it makes it) it's all coming off and getting sent back to them

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I just got the same response also asking for the same info that was already given...so frustrating. Anyone know a piping kit that actually fits well with a synapses?

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