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Chains are superior in that, when they start to go, the engine will still run and that they won't snap.

Belts, when they start to go, they go out in a blaze of glory, shoving valves into pistons, when they snap. Most subbie owners that don't keep up with maintenance would know this very well
There is that. However, in my experience, Honda belts on their V6 engines last a long time.... relatively speaking. In normal service, Honda recommends the belt change at 105k miles. That's not far off from what I've been seeing of chains needing to be replaced.... and belts appear to be a whole lot cheaper to change too. But yeah, chains probably don't have the catastrophic failure that belts do.
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At 100k my guides were barely worn. The chain had stretched though. I changed the oil pump chain, guides and tensioner too. Waste of time and money there as they were still AOK. 2L

Maybe the belt idlers or tensioner too if they feel like they have bad bearings.
Did you have that cold start rattle on your 2.0T?
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There is that. However, in my experience, Honda belts on their V6 engines last a long time.... relatively speaking. In normal service, Honda recommends the belt change at 105k miles. That's not far off from what I've been seeing of chains needing to be replaced.... and belts appear to be a whole lot cheaper to change too. But yeah, chains probably don't have the catastrophic failure that belts do.
up here its recommended to have the belt changed every 50k~60k miles, because of the range of climate temp swings.
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120k sounds like time for a general overhaul if you love it, or time to put her down when it fails.
lubes are great to avoid excessive wear, not so much after.
General overhaul? This car runs great and uses very little oil. I may have to add 1/2 quart in 7000 miles. Other than the 5th gear scrape and the cold start TC rattle, the car's in great shape. Well, the clear coat is coming off the plastic components, but otherwise, it's been a really nice car and is in excellent condition. I fully expect to see many more miles out of it short of something catastrophic happening to it.
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up here its recommended to have the belt changed every 50k~60k miles, because of the range of climate temp swings.
I don't know where "up here" is. Canada? On my Honda vehicles, I routinely change the TB/water pump at 120k miles. Garaged and well maintained, but ambient temps can range from 0*F to 100*F.
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No cold start rattle. Chains can break but they usually stretch and then skip a tooth or two on the cams. You may need the cam phasesers changed too if they are worn.
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I don't know where "up here" is. Canada? On my Honda vehicles, I routinely change the TB/water pump at 120k miles. Garaged and well maintained, but ambient temps can range from 0*F to 100*F.
Guess by my handle.

When honda first started selling cars with belt driven timing, engines; the belts were rated from the manufacturer to have a 100,000 mile wear life.

Engines started popping about 40k ~60k miles up here.

Then people started buying either domestic or subarus, but by then, the mechanics knew what was happening.

Also helped that the honda and subaru franchises are run by the same dealer group up here.
So a customer would trade in their grenaded honda for a subaru, from the same dealer.... or walk down the street to the other "Big 3" dealers

This is knowledge that my dad gained from running his own shop, and working in the power company's vehicle maintenance, as a journeyman mechanic.

It's one of the first things he asks the dealer when buying a car, is whether said car has belt or chain driven timing. If they don't know, he walks out.

Also just remembered, like maybe 5 years ago, had a friend who's outback decided to punch a valve after 47k miles (family friend and was a hand down for his first car).
Because it's a subaru, the shop they took it to, said it was best to just replace the engine, because just replacing the heads would involve yank out the engine anyways.

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Interesting, people went from blowed up hondas to unreliable Subarus just to have to spend money on TC, headgasket, wheel bearings, transfer cases before they hit 120k.

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Interesting, people went from blowed up hondas to unreliable Subarus just to have to spend money on TC, headgasket, wheel bearings, transfer cases before they hit 120k.

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people up here don't typically go about performance modding their dailys. They usually purpose build something.

A timing belt easier than changing out a timing chain. Just have to go about checking and changing it more often.

FYI subaru and nissan used the same heavy machining company until the 2000s, fuji heavy industries. That's why a lot of 70s-90s parts are interchangeable between the 2 makes.
IMO the 2000s is when nissan started going down hill. Nissan is the only company I know of where "standard" model comes with non-powered everything, today.
I mean manual locks, windows,, mirrors, am/fm radio.
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I think it was the early 2000's when Nissan/Renault had a very complex merger, that seems to be about the time Nissan went downhill. Before then i had owned several cars and trucks, now they seem best to be avoided. Its ashame really they made some good vehicles back in the day.
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Guess by my handle.

When honda first started selling cars with belt driven timing, engines; the belts were rated from the manufacturer to have a 100,000 mile wear life.

Engines started popping about 40k ~60k miles up here.

Then people started buying either domestic or subarus, but by then, the mechanics knew what was happening.

Also helped that the honda and subaru franchises are run by the same dealer group up here.
So a customer would trade in their grenaded honda for a subaru, from the same dealer.... or walk down the street to the other "Big 3" dealers

This is knowledge that my dad gained from running his own shop, and working in the power company's vehicle maintenance, as a journeyman mechanic.

It's one of the first things he asks the dealer when buying a car, is whether said car has belt or chain driven timing. If they don't know, he walks out.

Also just remembered, like maybe 5 years ago, had a friend who's outback decided to punch a valve after 47k miles (family friend and was a hand down for his first car).
Because it's a subaru, the shop they took it to, said it was best to just replace the engine, because just replacing the heads would involve yank out the engine anyways.
There's a note on the Honda maintenance page that Canadian vehicles should be maintained in the severe service category. Assuming your name starting with AK means Alaska, I suppose that would apply there too. That would drop the TB change to about 60k miles, etc.

But as regards my location, it would appear that TB and TC have similar lifespans, if my experience is any indicator.
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