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SFR Limp Mode

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I have 2012 2.0T Premium (Auto Transmission ) with a Stage 1.5 SFR Canned Tune. I have been have problems with the infamous Limp Mode. Took my vehicle to a shop near me, and they told me that i'd need to reflash the tune to fix my problem.

Has anyone reflashed the tune and the issue stopped?

Trying to determine if I should reflash or take the tune off completely. Really tired of my car going into Limp Mode especially when trying to rip up hills.

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Get in touch with Alphaspeed (on Facebook) they are returning many cobbled SFR tunes these days.
What's your location, I can let you know Alphaspeed dealer close to you?
You will need custom tune to get it right.

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Also you would want to get wideband sensor installed prior to tuning.
Innovate is the best option, can have readout on the gaudge or datalog into a laptop..

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Limp modes suck big time. Nothing like cruising down the highway at 75-80 mph in heavy traffic and your car shuts down. Nerve rattling at the very least.
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The only tuner with proven removal of limp modes ECM/TCU on a AT is is BTR. That is for the 3.8's which go turbo along with the 8AT. Any auto has built in safeguards in the TCU which can only be synched with an accompanying ECM tune done at the same time. You are merely encountering the safeguards initiated by the TCU, despite your SFR 1.5. The engine size doesnt matter.

***I dont know what they can do or not do with the 2.0T. But I do know that if they do it your ECM and TCU must go to Korea with Sam Lee.


***Again I will challenge any "tuner house" doing this with a real time user like myself. Not a I heard from this dude I know crap. I don't know of any one actually using an Alpha speed ECM annnnnnd a TCU retune on an auto. Speak up if you are actually out there, but if you dont have it,...zip it. LOL.

Side note: My cars trans tune has made this transaxle the best shifting performing thing I've ever driven (auto)........any make. That includes Porsche, Mercedes, Alpha Romeo, Acura, Nissan, GM, Pontiac, Chevy, Ford, Subaru, Jaguar, Range Rover,Jeep.
This includes a Pontiac GTO auto with a side shifting DRAG 1-2-3 with a 427.

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The only tuner with proven removal of limp modes ECM/TCU on a AT is is BTR. That is for the 3.8's which go turbo along with the 8AT. Any auto has built in safeguards in the TCU which can only be synched with an accompanying ECM tune done at the same time. You are merely encountering the safeguards initiated by the TCU, despite your SFR 1.5. The engine size doesnt matter.



***I dont know what they can do or not do with the 2.0T. But I do know that if they do it your ECM and TCU must go to Korea with Sam Lee.





***Again I will challenge any "tuner house" doing this with a real time user like myself. Not a I heard from this dude I know crap. I don't know of any one actually using an Alpha speed ECM annnnnnd a TCU retune on an auto. Speak up if you are actually out there, but if you dont have it,...zip it. LOL.



Side note: My cars trans tune has made this transaxle the best shifting performing thing I've ever driven (auto)........any make. That includes Porsche, Mercedes, Alpha Romeo, Acura, Nissan, GM, Pontiac, Chevy, Ford, Subaru, Jaguar, Range Rover,Jeep.

This includes a Pontiac GTO auto with a side shifting DRAG 1-2-3 with a 427.
BTR lost tuning support via Korian guy half a year ago and now uses Alphaspeed to tune.
To get rid of limp mode, car just need to be tuned right, as simple as that.
SFR often times tunes overly aggressive, leading to limp modes or blown engi engines.

The only option for Genesis tuning is Alphaspeed. There are many dealers through US, if you are in Illinois, BTR is closest.

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Well I 'm glad I got in on the Korean master to do mine both. S-plains alot...........Too bad thats gone.

**OP I m sorry, what I've had done is apparently lost. We all know how tight to the chest "tuners" are on methods and sources.So I guarantee the Korean master didntpass along his wisdom.

Apparently my car is more of a unicorn than I thought. I still want to hear from an actual owner operator of a turbo 3.8 conversion with an 8AT that Alpha has done on this forum.ECM/TCU together. Not a patch or a dumbing down so to speak, to be "safe" or conservative.

***When I did mine I communicated my wishes and intentions to Mr. Lee. I told him I was to run pure methanol. I told him I was to run 98 to 100 octane in her always.
- It also explains why Luke at BTR discouraged me from going up there for a custom tweak. My take is he knows the new guys cant shine a light on the Korean master.

Well I will just give thanks that I got in when I did.

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Alpha does not do TCU tunes, they do only ECU and are able to tune more features on ECU than old BTR tuner was offering - hence most people ran their direction.

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Well if thats the case,..they can not help the OP and his car reach its potential. Turbo or not. The TCU has direct influence on several limp mode issues with the engine.

So no sir, thats not more features. It cannot uncouple the limiters that the two share in common. The "Old BTR guy in Korea" specialized in this platform. Alpha is a franchise,..not a dude. Newer is NOT always better.

Only the old guy in Korea would tune you to specific octanes,....and made you (me) sign a waiver. I was happy to.

You dont need to be an expert to realize that if you are not tuning the two together for a common set of parameters there wont be problems. But what they can do is give you a luke warm tune that will not provoke the limiters and limp modes. Then the mushy ass oem TCU in the OPs car will be like,...Uhhh NO I'm not,...blah.

I know because mine used to be the oem mush box. Until she got a lebotomy........Ha !

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Alpha is a franchise but THE Alpha is a dude. Does SFR not do TCU tunes anymore then with their Korean counterparts? I know they did my brothers 2.0 BK1 but that was almost 2 years ago.... Either way if I were you I'd run on the stock ECU until you get it custom tuned. Better safe than sorry.
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Yes, all Alphaspeed tunes writen by 1 guy in Puerto Rico - Nolman. He is also a member (engineer) of AlphaX group. They are working/developing alphaX standalone ECUs. Alphaspeed is his private branchoff/side biz, and he tunes every single car out there.

Cars get cataloged (dyno or road) files sent over to him, he writes a tune and a dealer loads the tune on the car.
He tunes to 91, 93 and e85...any high octane.

Engine limp mode is never transmission related, not dependent. Alphaspeed fixed many SFR limp mode specials.

Beaty of Alphaspeed is everyone in the country can get custom tune, eather thru local dealer (if close by) or ship to home tuning hardware.


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Engine limp mode is never transmission related, not dependent.


^^^^^^^^^^^^
Above is a completely incorrect statement. If you dont know or think to two arent in total concert,..........thats just silly.

Direct conversation with any tuner will tell you. Thats why so few can do. Complicated and very inconvenient. If you like just give level 10 a call they'll set you straight on just how dependent they are on each other.


OP mine was done,...I'm the living breathing example of this. Dont listen to those who dont have first hand experience with this.

It does sound like yur options have decreased. Do more personal research, see if you can find a Korean contact through Pross,...if your lucky see if you cant get Sam Lee's email deal with him directly.


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Certain parties have been ordered not to say or not say certain things. The un doing of the relationship was a corporate one,(we all know how F-ed up corporate descisions are).

The paraphrased un official version of this is:

Yes ,its screwed up for the customer. "There are no current options that reach the level of his expertise."

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Yes, all Alphaspeed tunes writen by 1 guy in Puerto Rico - Nolman. He is also a member (engineer) of AlphaX group. They are working/developing alphaX standalone ECUs. Alphaspeed is his private branchoff/side biz, and he tunes every single car out there.

Cars get cataloged (dyno or road) files sent over to him, he writes a tune and a dealer loads the tune on the car.
He tunes to 91, 93 and e85...any high octane.

Engine limp mode is never transmission related, not dependent. Alphaspeed fixed many SFR limp mode specials.

Beaty of Alphaspeed is everyone in the country can get custom tune, eather thru local dealer (if close by) or ship to home tuning hardware.


Currently, Alphaspeed is only reliable sources of tuning Gen.
Wrong, the transmission computer is part of the CAN bus, it talks to the ECU. In the case when I was having my issue, a reading from the ECU was out of range of what the transmission computer was expecting, which caused a trans computer to tell the ECU to issue a EPROM error. AFAIK there is no way to pull codes off the ECU unless you have the hyundai GDDS (I think thats the acronym, its been a while) suite. Pulling codes off the transmission computer uses a different protocol than what your standard OBD2 protocol is.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^
Above is a completely incorrect statement. If you dont know or think to two arent in total concert,..........thats just silly.
Lol, guy do you even know what you are talking about, half the stuff spewing from your mouth, or fingers, are either blatantly wrong or wrong enough to make it wrong.

If you just found out BTR stopped doing tunes then you sir are out of the loop. If you don't know Nolman's capabilities then you are out of the loop. He has tuned countless different cars and platforms and a ton of GenCoupe's. Not one single person I know has ever had an issue with the transmission or the TCU.
Limp mode is to protect the engine. Usually when it goes into limp mode the car needs to be power cycled. If the ecu sees something it doesn't like, a sensor failure or something disconnected, the ecu will put the car into limp mode.

With OP's basic bolt on's a custom tune is not needed. There is definitely a canned tune option that would work just fine.
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Wrong, the transmission computer is part of the CAN bus, it talks to the ECU. In the case when I was having my issue, a reading from the ECU was out of range of what the transmission computer was expecting, which caused a trans computer to tell the ECU to issue a EPROM error. AFAIK there is no way to pull codes off the ECU unless you have the hyundai GDDS (I think thats the acronym, its been a while) suite. Pulling codes off the transmission computer uses a different protocol than what your standard OBD2 protocol is.


Thank you very much AKGC. This lends a much more insightful "cause and effect" to the relationship of the ECM and TCU.

Fact The old Korean tuner that contracted with BTR was the ****. Privately they will confirm this. The clown above is the one who is cueless. More importantly he does not own and operate a Genesis with the above mentioned tunes and modifications. Dont comment on something you dont have personal knowlegde or experience with.

Hyundais have always been like this, the auto VT's were and are notorious for the TCU interfering with the "tuners" abilities to get the most out of the particular powerplant. Torkme who so many of you hate so much was the only guy I knew of that could tune with/around the TCU.


**It kills me how clan nish people get about their tuners. Expertise is always self apparent.

Yes I am out of the loop as to who what they are using,...mine has been perfect since it returned from Korea in January of 2017. That should tell you something,.............the cars perfect.

OP I did some checking around, SFR can and does tune the TCU's in concert with their tunes. I do not know of anyone on this forum that can give you an actual read on their experience. If you live near SFR I would go there in person. If not,..I dont know. Even from my VT days, anyone who dealt directly in person with SFR's tuner loved it. But the canned tunes and mail in stuff, not so much.

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Thank you very much AKGC. This lends a much more insightful "cause and effect" to the relationship of the ECM and TCU.

Fact The old Korean tuner that contracted with BTR was the ****. Privately they will confirm this. The clown above is the one who is cueless. More importantly he does not own and operate a Genesis with the above mentioned tunes and modifications. Dont comment on something you dont have personal knowlegde or experience with.

Hyundais have always been like this, the auto VT's were and are notorious for the TCU interfering with the "tuners" abilities to get the most out of the particular powerplant. Torkme who so many of you hate so much was the only guy I knew of that could tune with/around the TCU.


**It kills me how clan nish people get about their tuners. Expertise is always self apparent.

Yes I am out of the loop as to who what they are using,...mine has been perfect since it returned from Korea in January of 2017. That should tell you something,.............the cars perfect.

OP I did some checking around, SFR can and does tune the TCU's in concert with their tunes. I do not know of anyone on this forum that can give you an actual read on their experience. If you live near SFR I would go there in person. If not,..I dont know. Even from my VT days, anyone who dealt directly in person with SFR's tuner loved it. But the canned tunes and mail in stuff, not so much.
AFAIK SFR uses the hyundai GDDS suite, downloads the firmware off the ECU, modifies the bin file, then uploads it back. IIRC the GDDS software/hardware was $5 grand, I thing a few grand per year to keep the license.

Modifying the TCU firmware can be hairy if you're not familiar with it. I'm pretty sure the TCU and ECU firmwares are laid out differently.

Correction: on my last post I typed "AFAIK there is no way to pull codes off the ECU unless you have the hyundai GDDS", I meant TCU.

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Didn't realize Alphaspeed did flash tunes. Looks like I'm gonna hop on it!! Has anyone done it and if so, was it straight forward?
Yes, it is painless. Prices will go up soon, lol, as Alphaspeed is only realiable tuning solution for Gen (now that BTR in on alpha train)
If you have v6 with basic boltons and stock headers, cantune is all you need, all other - custom rune (dealer will do multiple datalog on the street or dyno).

We (at Alphaspeed dealer network) use virtual dyno, so as we datalog and do street pulls, you can see effects it gas on power /acceleration (has to be same exact street section for consistency). Of course you can rent out a dyno for an hour

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There's nothing wrong with having Alphaspeed tuned ECU and SFR tuned TCU (they dont depend on each other).
But stay away from SFR ECU tuning for the reason that too many people blew their engine/had issues.

Alphaspeed is looking into TCU tuning and it might become an option (demand is low, so it has to be low overhead investment to get it going).

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