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Questions?????????

Did I miss something?

Where does it show the GC was 2013?

The only thing that shows a resembles a 2013 is the tail lights and those could be aftermarket.
Like these https://www.gencoupe.com/exterior/838...il-lights.html

For all we know it a 2010-2012 GC and how do we know itís 3.8 or 2.0?

Iím just saying?????
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I guess it's a shame. Ford had an opportunity to implement direct injection into the Duratec 37 but they decided not to because of cost concerns during engine development. So they basically missed their opportunity to keep the V6 Mustang competitive as an economical naturally aspirated V6. I guess some of the "purists" will have a problem with that (turbo lag, very thirsty when on the boost, slightly more complicated tuning and modifications) but it won't be competitive any other way.
This is not going to be the cheap model. If they use the V6 it will cost more than the V8 and probably be sold as a Mach package. If they use the 4 banger, it will still cost more than the NA V6. I am not sure what you are saying. Turbo lag?? Thirsty on boost? ?? Isn't that the benefit of a turbo, MPG out of boost, good power when it hits? Plus it can be tuned and modded like so many Stangs already get.

NOT COMPETITIVE, but a NA GC V6 is?? With essentially the same power and NOT tunable. Plus you still say the same about the 2.0t?.......lag and poor MPG under boost?
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And yeah dumbasses its OBVIOUSLY in Korea... Lets get the rocket scientists to figure this one out again.. Hmmmm... Highway signs seem to read some sort of Asian lettering... This car is Korean... wait.. wait... MAYBEEEE THEY'RE IN KOREA!?!?!? morons.
Yeah, because a highway street race is obviously a reliable way to figure out which car is faster.

Hey I have a great idea. Let's give a 17 year old a stick Z06 and Rhys Millen a Genesis coupe, then stick them in a racetrack! When Rhys wins, does that mean the Genesis is faster than a Z06?!? OMG!!

Or here's another more relevant example. A few months ago, I got challenged by a 335i on the highway. Nobody around, and it's 4AM so we go for it. I downshift into fourth, the 335 doesn't change gears. I destroyed him before I hit 85 mph. Herp derp, my Genesis is faster than a 335i

The point is that ONE piece of ANECDOTAL evidence simply is not good enough. Until we see a spec sheet, there's no point arguing about this race. It proves nothing but that the Genesis has a fine, fine ass.
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]This is not going to be the cheap model. If they use the V6 it will cost more than the V8 and probably be sold as a Mach package.[/B] If they use the 4 banger, it will still cost more than the NA V6. I am not sure what you are saying. Turbo lag?? Thirsty on boost? ?? Isn't that the benefit of a turbo, MPG out of boost, good power when it hits? Plus it can be tuned and modded like so many Stangs already get.

NOT COMPETITIVE, but a NA GC V6 is?? With essentially the same power and NOT tunable. Plus you still say the same about the 2.0t?.......lag and poor MPG under boost?
Yeah I doubt that for a lot of reasons.

1) Ford isn't in a position to be trying new things. The V6/V8 combo has worked well for the last 40+ years, doubt they're going to try something else. (And yes, I know about the turbo 4 cylinder...but I don't see any turbo 4 mustangs around nowadays!)
2) The mustang GT is traditionally a V8 car. It is defined by the V8 rumble, monster torque, and big engines.

I would love to see a TTV6, but I don't think the Mustang is the platform. On the Genesis coupe though...
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Yeah I doubt that for a lot of reasons.

1) Ford isn't in a position to be trying new things. The V6/V8 combo has worked well for the last 40+ years, doubt they're going to try something else. (And yes, I know about the turbo 4 cylinder...but I don't see any turbo 4 mustangs around nowadays!)
2) The mustang GT is traditionally a V8 car. It is defined by the V8 rumble, monster torque, and big engines.

I would love to see a TTV6, but I don't think the Mustang is the platform. On the Genesis coupe though...
Tell that to FORD trucks. The ECOBOOST is the big seller for the number one truck for 30 years. Things will be the same, just new options while the transition happens. Horse and buggies were big at one time for a few hundred years also.

The SVO Mustang was pretty big in its day. Did it replace the V8, no, but times were different then they are today.
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Yeah I doubt that for a lot of reasons.

1) Ford isn't in a position to be trying new things. The V6/V8 combo has worked well for the last 40+ years, doubt they're going to try something else. (And yes, I know about the turbo 4 cylinder...but I don't see any turbo 4 mustangs around nowadays!)
2) The mustang GT is traditionally a V8 car. It is defined by the V8 rumble, monster torque, and big engines.

I would love to see a TTV6, but I don't think the Mustang is the platform. On the Genesis coupe though...
...How is Ford not in the position to try new things? They're one of the most profitable American Car companies in 2011 when you take debt to revenue ratios.

It's time to play offense," Fields said a few weeks later. "It's time to fight back. We are doing what it takes to be America's car company. We are doing what it takes to give customers and our employees a reason to believe in Ford again."
-(Turning around an American icon, how Ford went from losing more than $30 billion to posting big profits | cleveland.com)

If anything this would be the perfect time to change their cars since they're trying to try their luck in Europe.
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This is not going to be the cheap model. If they use the V6 it will cost more than the V8 and probably be sold as a Mach package.
I have no idea what Ford's angle is here but here are my theories:

Fuel economy: Go with the EcoBoost 2.5, sacrifice 15 or 20 horsepower and get 5mpg better economy. Make the performance gap wider between this car and the GT. Some people will pay good money for so-so performance and awesome fuel economy. Others will go for the top of the line 420hp GT because it's now the more obvious choice for performance. This will boost sales of the GT and also give Ford an ace up its sleeve in the event that gas price begin to climb up to $5gal again. This, I believe, is the theory that makes the most sense.

Replace Duratec 35 with EcoBoost 3.5: This engine wasn't designed to outperform their current V8 racing engines. So it could only serve to directly replace the current Duratec 35....the Mustang GT would be left alone. And because it would never be a suitable replacement for the current V6, anything approaching 350hp in a V6 model would be unacceptably close to the performance of the GT. Ford would cannibalize sales of its own GT model and lose money with this approach. Also, it's unlikely this engine would get better economy than the current engine as evidenced in the Taurus SHO which gets complete shyte for mileage when on the boost...this doesn't play nice with CAFE standards. Now that V6's are approaching the V8's in performance...Ford must be asking itself whether or not it even has a place in its Mustang lineup to compete with the V6 competitors without doing serious damage to the sales of its GT halo car.

Replace the V8 in the GT with the rumored EcoBoost 3.7...keep the V8 for special editions like Shelby:It's been rumored that Lincoln is developing a 430hp EcoBoosted 3.7 that could potentially go in the Mustang. This is a perfect 10hp more than the 420hp in the 2013 Mustang so this car could move in as a replacement for the 2014 model year with a performance bump. The only problem here is purists will DEFINITELY have a problem with this. Camaro is already spanking Mustang in the sales department and turning their backs on the loyalists would probably be bad for business. I could someday imagine this scenario. An ecoboosted 2.5 standard model, ecoboosted 3.7 GT and the V8 special models. It could work.

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Cant wait to know the price of the 3.8 Rspec.

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I have no idea what Ford's angle is here but here are my theories:

Fuel economy: Go with the EcoBoost 2.5, sacrifice 15 or 20 horsepower and get 5mpg better economy. Make the performance gap wider between this car and the GT. Some people will pay good money for so-so performance and awesome fuel economy. Others will go for the top of the line 420hp GT because it's now the more obvious choice for performance. This will boost sales of the GT and also give Ford an ace up its sleeve in the event that gas price begin to climb up to $5gal again. This, I believe, is the theory that makes the most sense.

Replace Duratec 35 with EcoBoost 3.5: This engine wasn't designed to outperform their current V8 racing engines. So it could only serve to directly replace the current Duratec 35....the Mustang GT would be left alone. And because it would never be a suitable replacement for the current V6, anything approaching 350hp in a V6 model would be unacceptably close to the performance of the GT. Ford would cannibalize sales of its own GT model and lose money with this approach. Also, it's unlikely this engine would get better economy than the current engine as evidenced in the Taurus SHO which gets complete shyte for mileage when on the boost...this doesn't play nice with CAFE standards. Now that V6's are approaching the V8's in performance...Ford must be asking itself whether or not it even has a place in its Mustang lineup to compete with the V6 competitors without doing serious damage to the sales of its GT halo car.

Replace the V8 in the GT with the rumored EcoBoost 3.7...keep the V8 for special editions like Shelby:It's been rumored that Lincoln is developing a 430hp EcoBoosted 3.7 that could potentially go in the Mustang. This is a perfect 10hp more than the 420hp in the 2013 Mustang so this car could move in as a replacement for the 2014 model year with a performance bump. The only problem here is purists will DEFINITELY have a problem with this. Camaro is already spanking Mustang in the sales department and turning their backs on the loyalists would probably be bad for business. I could someday imagine this scenario. An ecoboosted 2.5 standard model, ecoboosted 3.7 GT and the V8 special models. It could work.

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lol a turbo 4 mustang? Moving a car that big? Cmon guys really?!
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lol a turbo 4 mustang? Moving a car that big? Cmon guys really?!
Are you asking or being sarcastic? A V6 Mustang weighs about 60 pounds more than the V6 GC. So all things being equal, the turbo 4 banger Rustang should be about the same weight as a GC turbo. Are YOU serious??

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Are you asking or being sarcastic?
starcastic.

I really, REALLY don't think a turbo 4 mustang will be fair competition for the Genesis.
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starcastic.

I really, REALLY don't think a turbo 4 mustang will be fair competition for the Genesis.
No doubt. The V6 Mustang is already referred to as the "Secretary Car"...a 247hp 2.0L turbo-4 will be the "Receptionist Car". By introducing a 3rd engine option into the Mustang lineup, Ford is effectively competing against nobody but themselves. The V6 is already kicking a dent in the more expensive GT sales and now the turbo-4 will be kicking a dent in the (probably) more expensive V6 sales.
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No doubt. The V6 Mustang is already referred to as the "Secretary Car"...a 247hp 2.0L turbo-4 will be the "Receptionist Car". By introducing a 3rd engine option into the Mustang lineup, Ford is effectively competing against nobody but themselves. The V6 is already kicking a dent in the more expensive GT sales and now the turbo-4 will be kicking a dent in the (probably) more expensive V6 sales.
So what is a 210 Hp GC, your mistresses car?
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I guess hyundai expects the 3.8 to compete with the g37 and 335i since they were specifically mentioned in the press release. Hopefully that doesnt mean a big price increase. Previous magazine comparos have been against the v6 mustang and camaro, but clearly the refreshed 3.8 has those cars beat on paper and looks to be more in the price bracket of the GT and SS.
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I guess hyundai expects the 3.8 to compete with the g37 and 335i since they were specifically mentioned in the press release. Hopefully that doesnt mean a big price increase. Previous magazine comparos have been against the v6 mustang and camaro, but clearly the refreshed 3.8 has those cars beat on paper and looks to be more in the price bracket of the GT and SS.
The 335i comparison is an interesting one. It's no secret the 335i is seriously underrated in horsepower. I mean, it's rated at 300hp at the crank but dyno graphs show it actually makes 300hp at the wheels. It will do 0-60 in 5 seconds flat and hit the quarter in 13.5. These are serious performance numbers.

I guess by simply making the comparison, it will beg auto reviewers to match them up against each other, and assuming the GC compares favorably, this will introduce the world of BMW fans to Hyundai.

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The 335i comparison is an interesting one. It's no secret the 335i is seriously underrated in horsepower. I mean, it's rated at 300hp at the crank but dyno graphs show it actually makes 300hp at the wheels. It will do 0-60 in 5 seconds flat and hit the quarter in 13.5. These are serious performance numbers.

I guess by simply making the comparison, it will beg auto reviewers to match them up against each other, and assuming the GC compares favorably, this will introduce the world of BMW fans to Hyundai.
No, the 335i is in a different class altogether. Yes, when you look at the numbers STOCK, the GC may seem comparable. However, the 335i is a TURBO I6. As in it has tarbos. From the factory. a 1000 dollar dinan tune alone brings the 335i to the 12's.

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No, the 335i is in a different class altogether. Yes, when you look at the numbers STOCK, the GC may seem comparable. However, the 335i is a TURBO I6. As in it has tarbos. From the factory. a 1000 dollar dinan tune alone brings the 335i to the 12's.
What's up Fremont...Pleasanton over here. And I agree with you about the 335i tune potential and outright speed, but not about it being in a different class altogether. I mean, it barely edges out the G37s in comparisons so I would love to see where 43 extra horsepower and a retuned suspension put the Genesis in comparison between the two. It should be interesting.
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So what is a 210 Hp GC, your mistresses car?
I think it has more to do with the perception rather than the performance
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