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|02-01-2019 03:50 PM|
|02-01-2019 02:52 PM|
The problem for me is that we were teased with the FT1 concept, which looks like it should be racing at LeMans this June, and what we got was the Zupra, which looks like something a Prius driver wants for the weekend.
|02-01-2019 10:16 AM|
|RedGen13||Here is an interesting video on how the 2020 Supra came to be :|
|02-01-2019 09:17 AM|
Last supra had engine designed by Yamaha and originally borrowed derived from Buick back in 60 - strait 6
New supra by BMW.
Asians hardly ever invent anything, they works off something that was already developed or found and impove on it.
Toyota has not made a sports car that was developed solely by them, but this new supra is 90% BMW and its poor stamp at what it can be. STRATCH platform to same dimensions as last supra and put rear seats similar to Porsche 911 - will have better proportions and will be a more of unique car.
Right now its same thing as Chrysler crossfire - which was resigned Mercedes with better suspension.
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|02-01-2019 08:49 AM|
But, if this wasn't called the Supra would people have been excited that Toyota launched a new 6cyl turbo sports car? I think they would, and getting caught up on the fact it is called the Supra seems a bit silly. What if this was the new Celica, and Toyota just said we are never bringing back the Supra? Would that have changed people's minds?
The MKIV would have been $70,000 today, would people be willing to pay an additional $20,000 if that meant the MKV was a Toyota powered vehicle? Can the majority of the people complaining even afford that?
I personally don't like BMWs, mostly because of their owners, so I do understand you views from that standpoint. The sad reality is that we probably would have never gotten this car had Toyota not partnered with BMW. In a world where automotive manufacturer's are only making crossover SUVs, I'm honestly just happy to have another option for car enthusiasts whether it is what everyone wants or not.
Like I mentioned in a previous post, it seems to have some good things going for it and it isn't a complete dud. We will have to see what the aftermarket can really make it into.
|01-30-2019 10:33 PM|
|Sergio Sanchez||See the thing is while it does have a well-built engine and transmission... it yells "BMW". A car with the supra emblem should not do that at all. It's like an ego thing for me I guess, I'm team JDM and KDM and like to talk smack on German cars... now I can't. The supra is known for its glorious overbuilt 2jz engine built by TOYOTA. I think Toyota would have been fine without BMW butting in and putting in one of there 100k wonder and overcomplicated engines in it. We all know dam* well it was BMW who came up with that automatic only idea.|
|01-30-2019 04:18 PM|
To me, the styling is much more reminiscent of the 2000GT than any of the Supras.
|01-30-2019 03:44 PM|
I wonder what the designers are thinking when they go to work on a Monday, "Hey, let's build a really ugly car and say that it's the descendant of a fine older car that we used to make. Then we can charge twice what it's worth, and make tons of money!"
At least they made the grill look about 3 times better than that fugly Lexus mess!
|01-30-2019 06:40 AM|
|01-29-2019 06:06 PM|
|L8Braker||Now the bottom one I’d buy! Can I get it in red??|
|01-29-2019 09:51 AM|
I think it would be an infinitely better product with some mild and modernized cosmetic changes reminiscent of the Mk IV. As
says, the fundamentals seem solid and I think most of this whining will stop if the OEM guts start cranking some healthy power.
I'm not a manual purist if the DCT is fast.
|01-29-2019 07:05 AM|
From what I know about it so far I'd say 6.5/10, it will probably be a pretty decent car but the price is probably a little more on the "premium" side for what you're getting. People are whining about BMW having a part in it, but when did BMW German engineering become a bad thing? I'm not super thrilled with the front end, but the rear looks pretty good imo.
- Closed deck, forged bottom end (crank, rods, pistons...) it should handle some decent power without needing to break the bottom end open.
- Automatic transmission isn't what I would want, but on the bright side, the BMW ZF transmission is really good and is rated to 770 lb*ft so if people decide to mod the car it should hold up.
- Might not sound that great since the manifold is built into the head
- Single twin scroll turbo isn't a bad thing
- BMW ECU has been cracked so aftermarket tuning should be plentiful, unlike the MKIV ECU which was locked and you basically had to go standalone.
- Its going to handle better than the MKIV
- 50/50 weight distribution
- If you take inflation into account, the MKV is like $20,000 cheaper than the MKIV
I didn't want them to release a 2020 MKIV, that would be dumb. If Toyota had to partner with BMW so that we could get another sports car on the market I'm all for it. I mean, they could have done much worse than BMW and partnered with say Hyundai. A lot of people whining about it never owned an MKIV and will never own an MKV. The main mystique around the MKIV had to do with the modding and aftermarket capability. Without the 2JZ-GTE being an overbuilt engine, no one would have given two shits about it. The MKV is off to a good start with the B58 being a closed deck block with a forged bottom end. If tuners start cranking out 600whp on the stock bottom end I think people will suddenly stop caring that its a BMW engine.
It will be interesting to see what becomes of it. I definitely won't be buying a first production year.
|01-28-2019 01:09 PM|
|01-28-2019 01:07 PM|
|01-28-2019 11:55 AM|
as long as the engine is tuned and finessed by yamaha again, it "should" better than the same engine from other cars.
but with the base engine they chose, it looks like they are aiming at the fiat 4C market (Basing it from base engine and projected prices. which is stupid IMO, and hardly is any market for it)
If it was 10~15 grand less, I could see these flying out showrooms. Even 5 grand less would be more reasonable from the 40K that sights are projecting for the base mode, but that could be, because of tariffs.
I had a first gen Z car for 10+ years, and I can see having such a long hood being annoying, if you're not use to it already.
|01-28-2019 11:38 AM|
|01-28-2019 07:17 AM|
|JCell||My real only gripe is its automatic only...|
|01-28-2019 07:06 AM|
It’s disappointing on two fronts:
A) there is not even a hint of lineage to previous Supras. If they’re saying there is, they hid it pretty well.
B) I can’t help but think, “You had a clean sheet of paper, and THIS is what you came up with?”
The rear treatment isn’t bad, but the front end is a disappointment in actual production form. The early spyshots and renderings had me thinking it would look much better as a final product. I wouldn’t give up my Coupe for it.
|01-28-2019 06:17 AM|
|mrGainZ||Exactly my thoughts. Toyota went the lazy way out and just carried over the i6 from BMW instead of designing their own. I could get over the mediocre front end, but the engine? Laugh out loud. Supra name that was up there with the Skyline/GTR and NSX then come out with a remodeled Z4..................................|
|01-28-2019 06:17 AM|
Whatever keeps mass market sports cars around has my support.
Without joint ventures they'd all be making nothing but suv's.
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