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Wow, mille_3 you're making this look easy. How long have you been building cars?
Thanks. Anyone can do it, as long as you take your time and don't rush things. I've been building cars for 20 years, ranging from full restorations to engine swaps. Learned by doing and making mistakes along the way :smile:
 

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I'm right around the 9k mark. But that includes a lot of upgrades like forged internals, ported heads, ported blower, beefier transmisson, clutch etc etc.
Out of curiosity, and a bit of noobishness here, but how would you rate the deals you got on your parts? If someone else weren't as luck with deals, what would they be more looking at?
 

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What is keeping me from doing this in the future is the all out from scratch fabrication for a proper 9" rear diff because the stock diff would explode.
 

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Out of curiosity, and a bit of noobishness here, but how would you rate the deals you got on your parts? If someone else weren't as luck with deals, what would they be more looking at?
I would consider the prices I paid relatively low. I don't mind waiting for deals to come around. I'm never in a huge hurry.

I really don't know what it would cost if you bought all new, except it would be a lot more. There are parts I will not buy used, but you can still find good deals on parts that people buy and find out they can't afford them and want to recoup some of their money.
 

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What is keeping me from doing this in the future is the all out from scratch fabrication for a proper 9" rear diff because the stock diff would explode.
The rear end will definitely need to be built over the long term, but the stocker will hold up fine for a while as long as you're not doing clutch dumps or launching at the track on sticky tires.

I definitely understand the apprehension of having to fabricate, but that's half the fun:smile:
 

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The rear end will definitely need to be built over the long term, but the stocker will hold up fine for a while as long as you're not doing clutch dumps or launching at the track on sticky tires.

I definitely understand the apprehension of having to fabricate, but that's half the fun:smile:
I love fabbing and figuring stuff out but what I don't like is the 15-20 grand that an LS swap with a real rear end is gonna take
 

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You could realistically do a basic LS swap for 5-6 grand including rear end (maybe even less), IF you fab all your own stuff such as mounts for engine and tranny and stick with an auto and do your own wiring. The rear end could come from a 5th or 6th gen camaro, they sell for $700-$900 all day long. The only thing I've had to do that is not something I would normally do in terms of getting gauges to work is having to machine a trigger wheel and press fit it onto a balancer. Everything else is easy.

Of course, if a person is not mechanically inclined or comfortable doing this kind of work then the cost will be significantly higher. But the one thing I would say to anyone wanting to do a swap is this; just do it! You learn as you go and the LS community is always willing to help. It may seem very overwhelming at first, but once you break it down to individual systems and components and do everything one step at a time, it is not hard. Just requires patience.

Machining a trigger wheel to get the tach to work is the only thing different on this swap from others that I have done (and the temp sensor)


 

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Since I'm at it anyway....ran into an issue with the LS3 running gear. The compressor doesn't want to play nice...I'll have to slice and dice the subframe to make it fit.


Also had the local hydraulic shop make me a power steering hose for $20....love small town living.



very fortunate with the strut brace...almost like it was meant for the LSA setup. Perfect fit :)

 

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@mille_3 you have made serious progress on this beauty. Thanks for sharing your progress with the community. Still drooling while sitting back while you put some serious love into this monster!
 

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wiring underway..


Notched the subframe to fit the compressor



pinned the crank



got all the accessories mounted and front end put back on. Finally starting to look like a car again




going to be challenge to fit a filter, not much room once the radiator and fans are in

 

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Guess I should update this thread a bit. Life gets in the way so progress has been somewhat slow...but wiring is done, only have some odds and ends to tidy up.

Pulled all wires through existing firewall grommet with OEM harness....complete ratsnest :)


separated out blue and green harness pins



...and cleaned up and ECU mounted. Fits pretty nicely in that spot



Fuel sorted out. Added a return line into the stock fuel hat. Was planning on using -AN for the transfer tube as well, but it's too tight and won't fit, so I'm left with using the stock nylon line. Hardware is a bit mismatched under the seat since I was using what I had laying around but it won't be seen anyway.



Mounted C5 filter/regulator to keep it a little less crowded under the hood.



The plan was to get the car running and tuned and then worry about rear and power transfer, but that all went out the window. New part pile waiting to go on: Tomei 2-way diff, whiteline swaybars, slotted rotors, hawk pads, solid subframe collars, stainless brake lines, ARP wheel studs and various rear suspension pieces.




new set of rims and 888's to put the power down.



rear end out....and new diff waiting to go in, this weekend hopefully. Still waiting for driveshaft shop axles...




Another item lined up for the weekend, mounting up the water-to-air exchanger


This piece is mostly for anyone else that may end up using the same swap kit, which is only about 90% complete, so you end up having to hunt down the remaining pieces. Hopefully the part numbers here are visible, but this is what you need to finish up....Transmission closeout cover, oil line adapters and oil level sender plug.



without the closeout


closeout mounted....looks a little cleaner


Starting to look like a car again. Intake is going to be extremely tight, so tight in fact that I may have to relocate the radiator...I'll cross that bridge when I get there. Updates to follow

 

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Outstanding Job . Hope you don't mind ,what is the total cost to date ?
 

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Outstanding Job . Hope you don't mind ,what is the total cost to date ?
Thanks, much appreciated. As far as the swap cost....let's just say too damn much :) the current mentality is basically "well since I'm doing this I might as well do that too", so it's adding up.

In all honesty though, if one simply wanted to drop in an LS with no regard to rebuilding/upgrading etc..AND you can do the wrenching and rework the harness yourself, you could realistically do this swap for very little money. Once you figure in the parts you sell off there wouldn't be much coming out off your pocket.

But that's not the approach most of us take tough. Granted I've done all the work myself but upgrading parts for long term dependability and performance has definitely added to the cost. But it's a hobby and not an investment. Some people like to gamble their money away at casinos and leave with nothing and still get entertainment value, this is mine and my son's vice I guess. Although we'll most likely never recoup the money put into the car, it's still a great value to both of us because it gives us the opportunity to do build something together and spend time doing it.
 

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Thanks, much appreciated. As far as the swap cost....let's just say too damn much :) the current mentality is basically "well since I'm doing this I might as well do that too", so it's adding up.

In all honesty though, if one simply wanted to drop in an LS with no regard to rebuilding/upgrading etc..AND you can do the wrenching and rework the harness yourself, you could realistically do this swap for very little money. Once you figure in the parts you sell off there wouldn't be much coming out off your pocket.

But that's not the approach most of us take tough. Granted I've done all the work myself but upgrading parts for long term dependability and performance has definitely added to the cost. But it's a hobby and not an investment. Some people like to gamble their money away at casinos and leave with nothing and still get entertainment value, this is mine and my son's vice I guess. Although we'll most likely never recoup the money put into the car, it's still a great value to both of us because it gives us the opportunity to do build something together and spend time doing it.
I understand ,I do all my own work on all that I build . If I was to go same route ,was trying to get ball park figure from your experience and cost . Thanks for your reply .
 

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I understand ,I do all my own work on all that I build . If I was to go same route ,was trying to get ball park figure from your experience and cost . Thanks for your reply .
If you want a ballpark number, you should expect to spend at least $8k including some upgrades. Could be less, depending on how patient you are in finding deals and if you make your own swap parts. The Enjuku kit is $3k, but frankly if I were to do it again, I'd do my own parts. Their shifter plate is nice, but I ended up having to machine a new one since I didn't use an F-body T56. Nothing else in that kit makes it worth it IMO.
 

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Made some more progress today. Mounted the gas pedal, I ended up using the truck tac and pedal since I got it with the harness. It actually mounted up real nice. The is an unused bracket up behind the dash that just needs to be bent to give an upper mounting point. For the bottom mounting point I fabbed up a bracket. Turned out ok and the pedal is positioned perfectly.

Upper mount existing bracket



Baseplate for the lower bracket



Pedal mounted. The angle is kinda weird so it makes the bracket look a bit odd



Genesis crank position sensor mounted. The Genesis uses canbus for the tach gauge, so this should solve that.



Tapped the water pump for the Genesis coolant gauge. Same issue here with canbus.



Hood back on to check fitment.....almost closes lol. Looks like cutting the hood is next.

 

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Making progress. Should have the car on the road by next week hopefully. It'll be straight to the exhaust shop

Heat exchanger pump mounted



Not much room for an intake or anything else for that matter, but I might get lucky an be able to squeeze something in here



.....and first startup :) (click picture)

 
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