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Did you even read what I wrote? I said TRUE DRIVING EXPERIENCE. Those cars are gone. ALL cars have electronic nannies now. You can still get some stripped down exotics like the GT3. The previous VIPER was the last of the breed.

FYI, I did not buy a Genesis.....YET. I don't buy cars for FEATURES, I buy them for looks and performance. But that is the beauty of the market, something for everyone. If I want features, I go into my home and use all the electronic gadgets I want. I don't need to take them on the road with me, that is why I get into my car.......to get AWAY from all that crap and enjoy the engine and the performance. To each his own.

BTW, I HATE MOTORCYCLES with a passion.
So I will just stick with my old muscle cars. Radio only. No heat, no air, no electric anything. Fast as hell. More safe. EVO X for the winter for me. Thanks for the recommendation though.

Ok I know you posted this a while ago, but who the hell hates motorcycles THAT much? I'm an avid rider and for the life of me can't figure out how any true automotive enthusiast could sound SO biased in one post. lol.
 

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Two wheels, high horsepower, high speed, poor visibility, no exterior protection=poor outcome on survivability. AUTOMOTIVE is the key word in your post. Don't loose any sleep over it though. I assume you are young and single. Wait until you have a wife and kids. A motorcycle is really not practical for anything other than pleasure riding.
 

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Two wheels, high horsepower, high speed, poor visibility, no exterior protection=poor outcome on survivability. AUTOMOTIVE is the key word in your post. Don't loose any sleep over it though. I assume you are young and single. Wait until you have a wife and kids. A motorcycle is really not practical for anything other than pleasure riding.
Agree with the other 4 but poor visibility????? I have better visibility with my Arai RX-7 on than I do in most cars.
 

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I think it is poor viability that people tend to miss you on a bike. I can't count the number of times I had almost been hit by people who "missed" that I was there.
 

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Two wheels, high horsepower, high speed, poor visibility, no exterior protection=poor outcome on survivability. AUTOMOTIVE is the key word in your post. Don't loose any sleep over it though. I assume you are young and single. Wait until you have a wife and kids. A motorcycle is really not practical for anything other than pleasure riding.
The best driver cars ever built don't come with "extras", that is what makes them great cars. If you want doodads, don't worry about the performance aspect as much. If you are truly an enthusiast, you worry about driving......PERIOD.

Best car is powerful engine, light weight (less doodads), big brakes, stiff suspension, tight steering and wide tires.

Essentially, there are not many true drivers cars left unless you build it at home. Modern cars have too much crap in them for a TRUE driving experience.

That said, I do like some luxuries like radio and A/C and cruise control. After that, it is all a waste of money for me. I would rather have a simple stripped out car with weight and cost savings. I don't need electric windows, locks, GPS, back up cameras, ABS, TCS, MP3, HID, or whatever else you have to take in a car today.

Modern tech is great for engines however, and I do like an ECU and EFI.

I guess safety gear is OK, side impact beams, roll over support, AIRBAGS etc. But adds tons of weight and complexity.
just give it up, you contradict yourself on every post. first, you post "i guess safety gear is ok", then "poor survivability" on motorcycles? what are you thinking?

then you say you want a purist driving experience, then talk about wanting a gencoupe which has lotsa of safety features, lotsa electrical features such as BT, AUX, IPOD, Infinity sound, LSD, Leather, etc **** that adds tons of weight. Then you want an a3 and a FWD Honda accord, which is FAR FROM a purist driving experience.

the GTR is the car you want; but we can't afford it.
 

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Two wheels, high horsepower, high speed, poor visibility, no exterior protection=poor outcome on survivability. AUTOMOTIVE is the key word in your post. Don't loose any sleep over it though. I assume you are young and single. Wait until you have a wife and kids. A motorcycle is really not practical for anything other than pleasure riding.
Having two wheels is bad? High horsepower is bad? OK Mr. Muscle Car... (hp on bikes is not that high btw, I think what you're TRYING to say is high power:weight ratio)

There is a big difference between finding something dangerous and "hating it with a passion." That just shows how closed-minded you are, or just semi-illiterate. Obviously motorcycles are best for fun and leisure (aka track and weekend riding), I figured that is kind of obvious...are you going to go buy a Lamborghini Aventador to commute to work in? Not likely.

Again, my marital status has nothing to do with how i feel about motorcycles, and once I am married with kids I may no longer ride on the street but I will by all means own a full blown track bike. Your arguments are mediocre at best, and fall to pieces in more than one area if you ask me. I'm still not sure why you got so butt hurt about my question, but I'm glad you don't ride motorcycles as the seat may be too rough for your poor little bum in its current state :rofl:

Anyways, I'm going to sleep now, so don't you even worry your pretty little head, I lost ZERO sleep over your ignorant and highly biased statements :dunno:

Oh, and just to be a dick, they're also considerably practical for gas mileage. Not that you'll get 50mpg riding hard, but getting upwards of 30mpg while ripping around is pretty solid in my book, not may vehicles that can even touch it while getting over 15mpg

Aaaaand, finally, I believe motorcycles are more up your alley than you think...

VVVVVVVV you saying what you love about pure sports cars VVVVVVVVVVVVV


No heat, no air, no electric anything. Fast as hell.
 

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OK, Live to Ride and Ride to Live. Loud pipes save lives. Helmets are for wimps and ruin the experience and the other biker mantras. You don't need to defend your personal habits to me. Until you have seen the carnage of bike accidents like I have, you have the eternal youth mentality. Can people get mangled in cars also, SURE. Do you have a better chance of survival in a car...DEFINITELY.

Back on topic.

Did any one see the TRU140S at the Detroit Auto Show. I thought that had some real promise. The poor mans Lambo.
 

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what I'm curious about is whether the '13 2.0t will be comparable with my current 3.8. I'd almost definitely go for it if its at least comparable in performance (within half a sec 0-60). I mean DAMN look at that tq
 

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Did any one see the TRU140S at the Detroit Auto Show. I thought that had some real promise. The poor mans Lambo.
It's an awesome looking car but it's going to be FWD if it's riding on the Cruise platform.
 

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I think the 2013 v6 track and the 370z will be right on top of each other in straight line speed, with the 370z having a slight advantage around the track. Genesis coupe has about 20 more hp and also weighs about 200 pounds more so i think its a wash. Motortrend was able to get the 370z 0-60 time down to 4.7 seconds, though for some reason I don't see the genesis coupe hitting that time. I'd be happy to see the genesis coupe just break the 5 second mark. Can an extra 42hp get the time down from 5.4s to 4.7s? We shall see :gc-Popcorn_Smiley_b
It would be able to if the car didn't gain 200+lbs over the previous model
 

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The 2013 3.8 rspec is only about 140 pounds heavier than the 2012 370z so hopefully it can keep up. The track or GT model in Canada, are carrying about 320 pounds more than the Z
Power to weight are almost identical between 3.8 R-Spec and standard 370Z. The Genesis makes 25 more torques though. I think it would come down to the driver. Hyundai called out the G37 in their press release materials and not the 370Z...so that should be an indicator that the new GC isn't any quicker than the 370Z.
 

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Another big plus for the GC is that you can go the R-spec route if your looking for a Z competitor and a Track/GT if you want a competitor to the G37. You can add Navi to the R-Spec if need be.
 

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OK, Live to Ride and Ride to Live. Loud pipes save lives. Helmets are for wimps and ruin the experience and the other biker mantras. You don't need to defend your personal habits to me. Until you have seen the carnage of bike accidents like I have, you have the eternal youth mentality. Can people get mangled in cars also, SURE. Do you have a better chance of survival in a car...DEFINITELY.

Back on topic.

Did any one see the TRU140S at the Detroit Auto Show. I thought that had some real promise. The poor mans Lambo.
lol, now you're just upset and making broad generalizations. I ride for fun and primarily drive a car, I wear full gear at all times (helmet, jacket, gloves, jeans, boots) no matter how hot or how short the ride. You're taking generalizations about cruisers and putting them on sport bikes. I HAVE seen what accidents can do, I've lost friends, but that doesn't stop people from base jumping or sky diving does it?

I'm more concerned about obesity related deaths in America vs. motorcycle fatality rates. THAT is the real issue, lmao.

This isn't even worth the time, lol. You probably rode for a week or two and got spooked out of it.

anyways I'm done with this debate, I can see it's going nowhere.
 

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I am REALLY torn between the 2013 GC 3.8 Track and the Suby BRZ. I wanted an STI, but refuse to buy the car since a refresh is due so soon. I know the 2013 GC and the BRZ are vastly different cars, but I keep coming back to these two, and plan on getting one as soon as they are both released. I am really looking for a sporty daily driver that I can have a ton of (legal) fun on the street when I want to, with MAYBE taking it to a track. I keep coming back to the BRZ as being better for taking sharp corners at the speed limit, but the Genesis just seems to offer....more. I am honestly just completely torn between the two. I currently drive a 08 Civic Coupe (fun to drive for as low power as it is) but am planning on buying my first "real" car as I am graduating college soon, and already found a decent job.

Basically, BRZ or 2013 GenCoupe3.8 Track.... HELP!
 

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what I'm curious about is whether the '13 2.0t will be comparable with my current 3.8. I'd almost definitely go for it if its at least comparable in performance (within half a sec 0-60). I mean DAMN look at that tq
PLUS, eight speed tranny in the auto which should keep the car in the power band better.
 
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