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3.8 Grand Touring 6spd. Manual and ZF Auto Impressions

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#1 ·
So, in my haste to give you guys and girls the leasing info, I neglected to provide my driving impressions:

I did drive the car... I drove a V6 GT Manual in red at Burns Hyundai in Jersey and at Porter Hyundai in Newark, I drove a V6 GT Auto.

A little background info: My current car is a 2008 Mazda MX-5 6spd manual. I have owned 2 other Miatas (one in each body style) all have been manuals of course. I have also owned an '04 350z touring 6spd, I've been driving stick for quite some time now.

That said, I was VERY impressed with the ZF auto. Shifts were smooth and hardly noticeable in normal driving. When you dug in, it was quick to downshift and drop two gears. The paddle shifters do look odd at first glance, yet when actually using them they fall perfectly at hand (I might like them to be slightly larger if i'm nit-picking) They also turn with the wheel which I like.

I was not expecting to like the auto as much as I did. I was a bit disappointed with the manual. The throws were short, but the one thing that irked me (and i'm glad i'm not alone in this as Motor Trend pointed it out as well) was that the shifter just didn't seem to be located where my hand wanted it to be. It seemed slightly back on the tunnel vs. where I would have liked it. As I said, the throws were short, but the shifter itself lacked the quality feel of the trans in my MX-5 or even my old Z for that matter. When I pushed it kinda hard I felt as if the shifter wasn't quite up to the task. In normal driving it was fine, I could snick through the gears with two fingers and a flick of the wrist. When shifting at higher revs, the shifter wasn't as positive and accurate as I would have liked. That's not to say it was terrible, it just wasn't as nice as I'd hoped. I'm also comparing it to what I consider to be one of the best shifters going (the MX-5) and one that I use everyday.

I felt the auto suits the car much better. It pains me almost to say it, as I consider myself an enthusiast and someone that enjoys a great manual trans. The Auto Trans. car felt of much higher quality. I didn't feel any loss in performance at all between the two cars.

As for the rest of the car. Grand touring handles nicely, can't wait to wring out a track model. I personally love the factory exhaust note. It's subdued when cruising but barks nicely when you dig in. The leather feels of very nice quality, I was quite surprised. Interior materials feel fine to me and of acceptable quality. I would say somewhere between g35 coupe and new g37 coupe in terms of material quality. Seats were comfy for me, i'm 5'10 170lbs, so not a huge guy. I would have liked a telescopic wheel but I found a comfortable driving position very quickly. Visibility was great in my opinion. The stereo is quite nice for a factory unit. The car is rather quiet when cruising. The GT suspension seems a very nice balance between compliance and handling. I was thoroughly impressed with the car.

Oh and the Nordschleife Grey with Brown leather is a very classy color combo.
 
#4 ·
interior

Just an opinion, but the original g35 interior was nowhere near the quality level of the current g37. My older brother actually has an 07 g35 coupe. The 07's had a minor interior upgrade vs. the original 04-05 g35. I still stand by my assessment. The Genesis coupe's interior is in my opinion between the g35 and g37 in terms of quality. The shapes are more fluid, the ergonomics are even better. Have you seen the factory head unit in a g35? The main controls are actually on the passenger side of the stereo.

Just my opinion though...

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#23 ·
+1

The G37 and the Genesis Coupe both have interiors that make the G35 look very dated inside.
+1

In my opinion, Manual > Automatic
Doesn't matter if it's faster or whatever. It's a completely different feeling of driving the vehicle. I loved the DSG in my VW. LOVED it. It was faster and got better gas mileage than the manual. Still wish I had gone for the manual though. A button cannot replace the actual method of rowing through the gears. And you don't have full control of your shifts with the auto in the GC. If you get too low in the RPMs, it'll downshift for you. If you hit redline, it upshifts.
+1...Connntrrolll...easier to drift tail end..yipee:p

Were this car to have an excellent Manual Transmission, I would agree with all of you stick shifting purists. Re-read my post.... See my previous cars?? Like was said a few posts above, it pains me as well to say it, but in this car, the automatic is a better trans. drive it and you will hopefully see what I mean. The clutch lacks feel, the shifter itself feels vague. It's not a horrid trans, but it's seriously lacking in a car of this caliber.
+1 & agree w/your point, but us 2.0t owners are stuck w/the M/T, so I hope Hyundai clears up problems w/the tranny B4 I get mine or someone determines & offers the necessary mods to improve the M/T.

I'm already planning on an after market clutch & shifter, so that's no biggy, but if other work needs to be done:dunno:
 
#7 ·
The G37 and the Genesis Coupe both have interiors that make the G35 look very dated inside.
 
#11 ·
So let me get this straight... From what ive seen the Auto Trans has been better for the Gen Coupe and the 370Z so far.

Both are faster then manual for both cars from what ive been reading from reviews, and both drive much better.

Im so glad I was too lazy to learn stick. In my mind, as long as i can shift manually with an auto whenever I want without having to worry bout a clutch im set for life....
 
#12 ·
In my opinion, Manual > Automatic
Doesn't matter if it's faster or whatever. It's a completely different feeling of driving the vehicle. I loved the DSG in my VW. LOVED it. It was faster and got better gas mileage than the manual. Still wish I had gone for the manual though. A button cannot replace the actual method of rowing through the gears. And you don't have full control of your shifts with the auto in the GC. If you get too low in the RPMs, it'll downshift for you. If you hit redline, it upshifts.
 
#13 ·
There's so much more involved when driving a manual. Timing your shifts right, synchronising your foot and the gear shift.. how you bring up the clutch. So much more skill involved.

Automatics are for those who never bothered to learn how to drive a car.
 
#15 ·
Ye sorry i get the same performance with half the work... I always have my Tibb in Manual mode and can down shift whenever I want and shift gears much faster then any1 using a manual transmission.

The only real difference is the annoying clutch peddle. No clue why people like doing more work then they have to.. and dont say its for ur so called feel.. its just cause you took the time to learn stick and now want to defend it.

Why stand when u can sit?
 
#17 ·
It's not a laziness issue for me. I owned an 01 Tib 5 speed that I LOVED, and ever since I traded it in on a car that had an auto transmission, I have regretted it. I miss driving that manual.

That having been said, I had pretty much made up my mind that I wanted a Track with the 6 speed manual. But after driving an auto GT w/ paddle shift, and then driving a 6 speed Track, I am having a hard time even admitting to myself that I actually liked the auto over the manual. The manual still has that same "Hyundai" clutch feel, or lack of feel I guess I should say, and in a car with power I don't want a numb clutch. I know that a "real driver" doesn't drive autos, but after driving both I think the automatic will be better for around town driveability with occassional track romps. I'm not buying it to be a race car, its going to be my daily driver. It pains me to have to say I prefer the auto... Not only that, but this will be the first RWD car I've ever owned, and I'd much rather NOT have to concentrate on clutching, shifting, being in the right gear at the right time AND keeping it pointed in the right direction all at the same time... LOL

Well, not to mention that the clutch/pressure plate assembly for the 6 speed is over a grand, and that's just for parts. I wouldn't plan on burning through clutches, but it's just another mark against the manual IMO. Looks like I'll be opting for the auto 3.8 Track. In blue. Or gray. Haven't decided yet. lol
 
#19 ·
Stick can definitely be fun if you know how. But honestly, even at the track, automatics have really started to come of age and show that they are not horrible. For anyone who will be daily driving their car, I can definitely understand the draw of an auto tranny that offers the same performance as a manual... enough so that I am considering changing sides and joining lord vader...
 
#20 ·
Were this car to have an excellent Manual Transmission, I would agree with all of you stick shifting purists. Re-read my post.... See my previous cars?? Like was said a few posts above, it pains me as well to say it, but in this car, the automatic is a better trans. drive it and you will hopefully see what I mean. The clutch lacks feel, the shifter itself feels vague. It's not a horrid trans, but it's seriously lacking in a car of this caliber.
 
#33 ·
That said, I was VERY impressed with the ZF auto. Shifts were smooth and hardly noticeable in normal driving. When you dug in, it was quick to downshift and drop two gears. The paddle shifters do look odd at first glance, yet when actually using them they fall perfectly at hand (I might like them to be slightly larger if i'm nit-picking) They also turn with the wheel which I like.

I was not expecting to like the auto as much as I did. I was a bit disappointed with the manual. The throws were short, but the one thing that irked me (and i'm glad i'm not alone in this as Motor Trend pointed it out as well) was that the shifter just didn't seem to be located where my hand wanted it to be. It seemed slightly back on the tunnel vs. where I would have liked it. As I said, the throws were short, but the shifter itself lacked the quality feel of the trans in my MX-5 or even my old Z for that matter. When I pushed it kinda hard I felt as if the shifter wasn't quite up to the task. In normal driving it was fine, I could snick through the gears with two fingers and a flick of the wrist. When shifting at higher revs, the shifter wasn't as positive and accurate as I would have liked. That's not to say it was terrible, it just wasn't as nice as I'd hoped. I'm also comparing it to what I consider to be one of the best shifters going (the MX-5) and one that I use everyday.

I felt the auto suits the car much better. It pains me almost to say it, as I consider myself an enthusiast and someone that enjoys a great manual trans. The Auto Trans. car felt of much higher quality. I didn't feel any loss in performance at all between the two cars.
Great writeup Jim. However, it pains me to read this about the manual transmission. Like you, I have been driving manual transmission cars for most of my driving 'career' (10 years). And like you, I have two Miata's (a 91 and a 92) and LOVE driving stick shift cars. Hell even my DD (2008 Kia Spectra) is a manual.

I have a thread in this forum about the 3.8 Base with the ZF Auto as well, and it was a /great/ drive. You may notice I had similar praise for the Auto box in this car. I have not tracked down a 3.8 Manual to drive yet, but hopefully I can live with the clutch/shifter feel, as I don't know if I could deal with owning an automatic sports car.

Maybe someone will release a 'short shifter' kit or some different (harder) bushings to improve the shifter feel. And as pricey as it will likely be, a different pressure plate and friction disc should help the clutch feel I would hope. An ACT Street/Pro-lite flywheel would be icing on the cake as well.
 
#34 ·
We could probably toss the idea to Kartboy and see if they'd make some bushings for it.