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Just had a thought, and anybody thought of grafting a stinger trans/drivetrain into a coupe?

They do offer it in both 2.0 and 3.3TT awd options
 

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You'd need the new engine with the girdle or whatever structure allowing the half shaft drive through the oil pan. Seems like a lot of work for little gain. Of course, the Alaska version of "Gain" might be skewed in your favor. LOL

The real work would be grafting on the front subframe's pick-ups onto the coupe... How does the track width compare? Also, How much cash you got? ;)
 

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You'd need the new engine with the girdle or whatever structure allowing the half shaft drive through the oil pan. Seems like a lot of work for little gain. Of course, the Alaska version of "Gain" might be skewed in your favor. LOL

The real work would be grafting on the front subframe's pick-ups onto the coupe... How does the track width compare? Also, How much cash you got? ;)
You are forgetting that the engine/trans can just be moved to a GC chassis, instead of just moving over sub-components.
If the motor mount arm bolt locations are the same, then it would just be a matter of swapping those over, but motor and trans mounts would be easy to weld up.
Getting front drive would be just getting another set of rear hubs/spindles/axles, and bolting those up front.
CV length can be played around with, with axles from other track width hyundais/kias

On the other hand, you can just bashing (or cut/fab) the firewall in by a foot and just swap the transmission, then plug up the vents on a rear diff, and flip it, the drill and tap for a new vent on the other side. basically mounting the front diff upside down.

Main thing I see being an issue, is knotching the front main supports for the axles to pass through, but if you have slammed a pickup frame before, it shouldn't be that hard.
 

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That's what I mean, AK. I'd assume the stinger/g70 front subframe has some rather specific structural allowances for FWD systems. My assumption would be that it's easier/safer to transfer over the entire sub assembly and fab the coupe chassis to accept it, as opposed to modifying a coupe subframe to accommodate the FWD elements and new likely very different oil pans, then dicking around with a janky diff, frankenstein axles, etc. They've already done all that work for you. And I think either way you'd need to do some bashing on the trans tunnel and firewall as I believe the newer generation powertrains are mounted further back in those new chassis than they are/were in the coupe relative to the front axle centerline.

I honestly don't think it would be that hard, but it would be a lot of work. A long winter project for you? LOL
 

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Lite weight Hypergram konig 18x11 on the rear with NITTO NT01 305-35-18 (soft as phuck ),flared fender wells ,rear billet diff cover ,4.18: gear,4th diff mount, re-welded and reinforced Sub-frame ,carbon DSS drive shaft,DSS half shafts and a couple of other minor mods ,much easier than a heavy all wheel drive conversion .All wheel drive conversion for full all out road racing or during spirited and normal driving in the rain is awesome , just too costly when doing the mod correctly .
 

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That's what I mean, AK. I'd assume the stinger/g70 front subframe has some rather specific structural allowances for FWD systems. My assumption would be that it's easier/safer to transfer over the entire sub assembly and fab the coupe chassis to accept it, as opposed to modifying a coupe subframe to accommodate the FWD elements and new likely very different oil pans, then dicking around with a janky diff, frankenstein axles, etc. They've already done all that work for you. And I think either way you'd need to do some bashing on the trans tunnel and firewall as I believe the newer generation powertrains are mounted further back in those new chassis than they are/were in the coupe relative to the front axle centerline.

I honestly don't think it would be that hard, but it would be a lot of work. A long winter project for you? LOL
go to your genesis, look at where the center of the front wheel hub is, then look at the body component that is behind it. It's not the subframe. The subframe would be the k-member, what I'm talking about is the front frame rails.

Sure you can mount the engine lower, but then you would have to modify the front suspension to adjust for the correct axel/cv joint angle and end up with a reverse rack stance.
 

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go to your genesis, look at where the center of the front wheel hub is, then look at the body component that is behind it. It's not the subframe. The subframe would be the k-member, what I'm talking about is the front frame rails.

Sure you can mount the engine lower, but then you would have to modify the front suspension to adjust for the correct axel/cv joint angle and end up with a reverse rack stance.
Yes, I keep saying the genesis chassis(frame rails, as you put it) need to be modified. But, if you're going to do so, you might as well do it to accommodate the entire stinger subframe as it itself has structural features to support the FWD portion of the Stinger's drivetrain. Take a look at this pic.
https://www.kia.ca/content/2019-stinger/highlights/awd-mobile.jpg

You'll notice a large amount of space has been made between the subframe members to allow for the front diff to be bolted to the side of what must be a girdle or part of the lower block or oil pan. It would be silly to modify the coupe's unibody only to also need to modify the coupe's front subframe as well.

Of course, at this point, I don't even know what the point of limiting labor would be. Likely need to rework the trans tunnel, the shock towers, the firewall, and the rad support at the very minimum. I'm probably splitting hairs.
 

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Yes, I keep saying the genesis chassis(frame rails, as you put it) need to be modified. But, if you're going to do so, you might as well do it to accommodate the entire stinger subframe as it itself has structural features to support the FWD portion of the Stinger's drivetrain. Take a look at this pic.
https://www.kia.ca/content/2019-stinger/highlights/awd-mobile.jpg

You'll notice a large amount of space has been made between the subframe members to allow for the front diff to be bolted to the side of what must be a girdle or part of the lower block or oil pan. It would be silly to modify the coupe's unibody only to also need to modify the coupe's front subframe as well.

Of course, at this point, I don't even know what the point of limiting labor would be. Likely need to rework the trans tunnel, the shock towers, the firewall, and the rad support at the very minimum. I'm probably splitting hairs.
No manufacturer in there right mind would make a performance oriented car with body-on-frame construction now-a-days.

That pic is just marketing. It is likely either CG or there is a structural beam welded under the driveline, and the angled pieces in the rear, are likely welded to said beam. Also, question why the struts are upright, when they aren't mounted on the top. Also, why is it so low res

Side note, about to swap a crv drivetrain into a honda fit lol.
 

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I'm sorry AK, but it's clear you don't understand what i'm talking about. The picture was for reference only to the relationship between the front subfame and the front diff. It's pretty clear at the front left of the mock-up in the picture. In no way did I imply the car was constructed body on frame. You can see the front subframe in the pic, right? I'd guess the struts are just there as a mock-up; a sort of x-ray vision model of the car. It's low res because Maple Syrup Canadia? IDK, it came of KIA Canada's website.

As for the CRV to fit swap, yes, I've seen this done in a few tegs and civics. Once in an EK hatchback. If you pull it off well, I have no doubt a transplanted FIT will be even more wild. LOL. I hope its a K-24 beast! So much fun.
 

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I'm sorry AK, but it's clear you don't understand what i'm talking about. The picture was for reference only to the relationship between the front subfame and the front diff. It's pretty clear at the front left of the mock-up in the picture. In no way did I imply the car was constructed body on frame. You can see the front subframe in the pic, right? I'd guess the struts are just there as a mock-up; a sort of x-ray vision model of the car. It's low res because Maple Syrup Canadia? IDK, it came of KIA Canada's website.

As for the CRV to fit swap, yes, I've seen this done in a few tegs and civics. Once in an EK hatchback. If you pull it off well, I have no doubt a transplanted FIT will be even more wild. LOL. I hope its a K-24 beast! So much fun.
It's not hard to notch a frame.



I already rebuild a whole front half of a 260/280z

 

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Tube built front end Z30 chassis with a V-mount? Lol, yeah, I'd say you've got theory and application down ;)

What's the timeframe on the FIT? That'll be a cool car.
 

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Tube built front end Z30 chassis with a V-mount? Lol, yeah, I'd say you've got theory and application down ;)

What's the timeframe on the FIT? That'll be a cool car.
Me just being nit picky, but is S30 chassis lol. Thats a ford engine.

Fit/Jazz, working on adjusting the lean of the engine/trans. Have to weld up the bolt holes on the trans for where the "transfer case" (I wouldn't really call it that, it's just a right angle drive) and adjust the drive angle from there. Drill then tap.



Once I have that set, I'll fab up some motor mounts and dog bone to adjust for the engine rake. Then cast with 70 durometer urethane.

Have to figure out what to do about the fuel tank, it gets in the way of the drive shaft. Some JDM Fits come with factory AWD, so I might try to get a gas tank from that, but if I'm going to do that, I might as well just import a whole JDM fit and rather than having to deal with doing the conversion. Rear diff is already in the car. Once engine is in, it will be driving around without a propeller shaft for a bit, until the shop is done adjusting the shaft length.

Car is mainly for my wife, so nothing too crazy, power wise.
 
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