[Suns_PSD]

Anyone that knows me knows that I am a pretty calculated guy. Before I make a substantial purchase I ask a lot of questions and make a lot of phone calls.

When I first began to search for a method of lowering my car and improving performance I had several competing concerns including:

-street ride plushness
-track performance
-technical support from the vendor and the manufacturer
-aesthetics (w/ many aftermarket wheels you can really see the coil-over)
-adjust-ability
-how rebuildable
-cost

All of this adds up to "value" to me.

When I compared all of the options and saw how little extra money I would have to pay to get the premium product in my price range it was a no brainer to me. Stance GR+ coil-overs! Would you believe the cost was literally only about $300 more than the cheapest coil-over brands and about $100 more than lesser premium brands? I couldn't believe it but that is what they cost from Andrew @ Hyundai Genesis Coupe performance parts at GenRacer - Performance parts for the Hyundai Genesis Coupe.

Now I have a fair bit of suspension tuning experience from racing motorcycles and I'm fully aware how critical this is to optimize the performance of your investment. And I found out during the dialing in stage how nice it is to have an expert on setting these up available anytime w/ tech support, settings, and suggestions. W/ Stance you just call up and get someone and one guy in particular is really a tremendous help. I wore the phone out. And if the stuff wears out you can send them to CA and get them rebuilt quite easily.

I installed my coil-overs myself and although putting the parts on is relatively easy, getting it all dialed in is quite challenging. Truthfully if you are not a tinkerer, I'm not certain that any brand of coil-over is for you or you might easily end up w/ less performance than stock Track suspension. I didn't post right away after installing them because I needed some time to test the set up on local canyon roads and on my commute and make adjustments. For the record I only lowered the car 7/8" up front and 1" in the rear at the suggestion of Stance. I think it looks perfect.

Anyways, the set up is flat unbelievable to me. The car, even w/ the somewhat poor stock tires, sticks and has balance that it simply didn't have when it was on stock Track suspension. I was hitting my standard canyon road and getting thru some of the turns so much faster than I did on my stock suspension that it really shocked me a few times. The car is so flat, so controllable, and so predictable that it is just perfect to me now.

To put icing on the cake, the thing rides considerably smoother and more plush than it did on the stock Track suspension! Freeway expansion joints basically disappear. Nice bonus.

Andrew over at GenRacer was easy and quick to deal w/ and answered at least 30 different PM's from me before I ordered. If you decide to go coil-overs I highly recommend talking to him before you buy anything.



~take care

 

[Drag Limited]

Are you planning on sticking with the stock sway bars as well?

 

[Lower it]

very nice review. may i ask any clonking sounds etc>??

 

[Slider]

Good choice. :bigthumbup:

 

[Suns_PSD]

I am staying w/ stock sway bars at the recommendation of the main set up guy at Stance. I actually had the chance to buy some Eibach's very cheap slightly used not but 1 mile from my house but I was told that it's as likely to reduce handling as it is to improve it. The Stance guy pointed out that none of that stuff is track tested, certainly not for my exact set up, and rarely do they even include specs. Stiffer alone definitely doesn't mean better, and he said that it often means slower. He said the ONLY way to test different sway bars is to buy them all and try them all at the track and check lap times.

No clunking or anything weird like that out of my Stances.

 

[BAMATuner]

Hm, I disagree with the stock sway bar recommendation. What kind of certifications does the Stance guy have? Anyway, nice coils!

 

[fatflyguy]

Stance are great! Most are, I absolutly love my SMA's later this year I'm going to go with BC only because I can order custom spring rates at a cheap cost. One day I may switch to stance as well!

 

[Suns_PSD]

Hm, I disagree with the stock sway bar recommendation. What kind of certifications does the Stance guy have? Anyway, nice coils!

I don't know of any certifications that can replace going to actual race tracks and setting up race cars using a stop watch and a good driver and that is what he does for Stance.

Thanks, they are rather sweet!

 

[fatflyguy]

Doesn't matter, fact is the stock sways are only decent. You want to race your car then get aftermarket ones. They'll help your car preform a lot better! I've tracked quite a few cars, and with each one after markets sways always out preformed stock, and I don't believe there is an exception for our cars.

 

[Suns_PSD]

One thing the Stance guy mentioned is that cars are often very counterintuitive when setting them up. He pointed out that most believe that the more connected feeling that a stiffer handling package provides equates to faster lap times. On the other side of the equation most don't feel that squishy set ups are as fast. He said that "unfortunately the squishy set up that offers a less connected feel will just about always result in faster lap times." Now he didn't claim that the aftermarket sway bars would be worse, just that it's a complete gamble and only the stop watch knows for certain and that his experience has often not seen a reduction in lap times using them.

For me, I feel the best bang for the buck and direction for me is wider & lighter rims w/ a higher performance tire mounted is next. If I was on a wide open track I might feel differently but on the tight confines of the canyon roads I'm on the speed is beyond sufficient.

 

[satheian]

Always such good reviews about the Stance..

 

[BAMATuner]

Suns, it all boils down to the type of racing/driving you'll be doing the most. With that said, you mentioned canyons, so solid sways are a must for optimum performance.

Lastly, I do think that wheels and tires are more important, but again, do not discredit my suggestion. I too have a lot of racing experience.

Oh and the time factor... Yes that may be affected. If so, it is usually marginal either way.

 

[GenRacer Support]

Suns, it all boils down to the type of racing/driving you'll be doing the most. With that said, you mentioned canyons, so solid sways are a must for optimum performance.

Lastly, I do think that wheels and tires are more important, but again, do not discredit my suggestion. I too have a lot of racing experience.

Oh and the time factor... Yes that may be affected. If so, it is usually marginal either way.

The team at Stance have plenty of experience in a multitude of different environments. Can't argue with all the trophies earned on Stance suspension.

Hm, I disagree with the stock sway bar recommendation. What kind of certifications does the Stance guy have? Anyway, nice coils!

 

[Tufast]

Awesome review Suns PSD!

I have Stance GR+ coilovers on my list at #3 closely trailing the ARK DTPs...could go either way on those two, but am still leaning toward KW-V3s at this point unless I am lacking the funds to get them when I'm ready to purchase.

I agree with Stance's view on leaving the OEM sways in place at this point. In fact, I have no intentions of replacing my front track sway bar period & want to pick up an adjustable rear swap bar when one becomes available & I deem in necessary.

 

[Suns_PSD]

ARK's were one of the final contenders for me, as were HSD's, and the K3s.

I had reason to believe that the track testing and valving on the Stance product was more dialed in compared to the others. Let's face it, as primarily street drivers we have limited opportunities and experience to get the suspension dialed in. I wanted to optimize set-up as quickly as possible. I'll do 15K miles this year primarily sitting in traffic and driving to work. About 750 of those miles will be on canyons and maybe 50 miles at track days so it's important that my testing time is reduced to something I can deal with.

Other factors were cost as the Stance product came in less expensive than 2 of those options and identical to the third. A lot less than the K3s in fact. Maybe the K3 product is 5% better at track days, but the cost was approaching 2x if I recall correctly. The value wasn't there for my application.

Aesthetics is an issue for me. Sorry but DayGlo Orange suspension w/ nice aftermarket wheels is an absolute no-go for me. Just horrible I'd say.

Also, I wanted someone I could call for specific set up advise. Stance won here as well. Honestly, I would have paid another few hundred for the same product before I would have began to consider another option.

Good Luck w/ whatever you choose!

 

[123noob]

Before I got my Stance GR+ from GenRacer, I was looking forward to Ark DtP. But let me tell you, GenRacer, especially Andrew, was very helpful with me on this purchase. Not only that, the quality of this coils is very good, it was well worth the money and there is no regret of me buying it.

Again Andrew is one awesome guy to work with, and I would definitely go back to GenRacer for my future products.

 

[carlosa_garcia]

I'm loving my Stance Coilovers as well. I did have one issue with one of the rear coils missing a rubber insulator. Called them up and they sent one out, no questions asked.

 

[BAMATuner]

The team at Stance have plenty of experience in a multitude of different environments. Can't argue with all the trophies earned on Stance suspension.

And you quoted my suggestion only to say what again? LoL

 

[satheian]

^Apparently that car represents the certifications of some guy who answers phones for Stance? lol, idk.

 

[Tweak]

Just curious...

What were the benefits of the Stance over the KW v3's?