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ok there has been numerous zf threads why is this different?

its full of facts!!!

ok here in oz we use the 19 behind our 4.0 6 cyl 2000kg ford falcon sedan

while the 26 goes behind our 5.4 modular v8 and our turbo 4.0 6 cyl falcons

here is how you identify the box



this is located at your driverside rear of the box

the pan is the same:





the difference between a 19 and a 26 is:
clutch drums,
pistons,
clutch quantity,
1 sun gear and bearings,
valvebody and controls

this is a pic of the inside and another of the box on our rebuild jig





thats it i reached my pic limit and cant work out how to remove some to make way for others? sorry

with the correct parts installed extra clutch plates added pistons modified they hold big power

here is a link to a dyno sheet of how much



in light of the above i think there great and given the right knowledge and tools they are a good box to mod!!!

so stop worrying about them!!! lol lol lol
 

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Thank you!
 

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i've mentioned many times how good these things are but it seems everyone kept starting new threads asking about them so i thought shut them up so here it is
 

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I've been praising ZF trannies for a couple of years now & my brother bought his 3.8 Track A/T about a year & half ago on my recommendation. Its the best tranny available from Hyundai at this point IMO.
 

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885HP (660.6kW)! Holy moly! Was that a modified 19 or a 26 behind that monster?
yup and ive caught you yanks calling our aussie dyno's heart breakers so even more on an "inertia" (spelt it in yank for you lol) dyno

look it was a 26 but if i were to drag it i'd go c10 ford, turbo 350 gm or torqueflite chrysler if comon there or even 2spd power glide if even more drag serious

otherwise i like my stik shift!!!
 

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And how much does it cost?
well to build a ford 26 to this level i charge 4k to build a 19 to as far as sensible again 4k to machine cases and build a 19 to this level never contemplated it but can be done possibly as much as double

to reco a 26 or 19 to std we charge 2.5k

the above box's all get delivered full of oil and sealed with cooler attached so we have complete control of oil quality hence reliability

mind you they are ford prices and not hyundai and if they were i would not have posted it up as it would be against forum rules

hopefully this will give you an indication of what a shop there will charge!!!
 

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well to build a ford 26 to this level i charge 4k to build a 19 to as far as sensible again 4k to machine cases and build a 19 to this level never contemplated it but can be done possibly as much as double

to reco a 26 or 19 to std we charge 2.5k

the above box's all get delivered full of oil and sealed with cooler attached so we have complete control of oil quality hence reliability

mind you they are ford prices and not hyundai and if they were i would not have posted it up as it would be against forum rules

hopefully this will give you an indication of what a shop there will charge!!!
Phase, now for the million dollar questions for all of us ZF owners looking to beef up our transmissions (19 version of course) in anticipation and release of TT and supercharger set-ups, how do we as the consumer, coordinate such a build from you? Does the 4K price tag to build this tranny require a core tranny to build or is this something you obtain, build and deliver? What is the total price to include a ball park shipping charge to deliver this built tranny to us in the US?

The reason I ask is the cost to supply our own tranny will certainly raise the cost not to mention being without our ride for a period while you build it? Most of us use our cars on a day to day basis and creates a huge obsticle for many of us

My thoughts are you would acquire the tranny, build it, and then ship it with a core charge. Then I'm assuming when we take reciept of the built tranny, we would ship our stock one and the core charge you charge would get credited back to us. I'm speaking out loud here and I'm assuming this is the most efficient means to streamlining this process so we aren't without our rides. American aftermaket tranny companies like B&M follows a simliar program.

One of the concerns that I have with the ZF tranny specifically with the 19 in the 3.8 is rising tranny temps under hard loads. It has been documented in track testing that once the 19 gets over heated, the ECU will put the tranny in safe mode which interrrupts the manual matic feature which doesn't allow shift at redline. From what I read, the shifts when the tranny is heated is reduced by 2K or so. How much of this is actual facts is to be questioned, but it is a big concern. With your build how are you taking care the this heat problem?

Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

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I would assume the "heat" question would be answered in this statement :dunno::

"the above box's all get delivered full of oil and sealed with cooler attached"

One of the concerns that I have with the ZF tranny specifically with the 19 in the 3.8 is rising tranny temps under hard loads.
But I will let the Pro answer it for certain.
 

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I would assume the "heat" question would be answered in this statement :dunno::

"the above box's all get delivered full of oil and sealed with cooler attached"



But I will let the Pro answer it for certain.
Dave you would be correct, however, I would like to know how they addressed the issue for cooling. I have not looked at our tranny cooler set-up, but on many cars, the radiator combines the trans cooler collectively. Since I haven't taken a look at our set-up, I'm uncertain if our trans cooler is separate from the radiator. If it is, bonus and then I'm assuming the built tranny will accompany a larger trans cooler which would address the cooling issues that I have. Yes, let the pro answer this for sure
 

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Phase, now for the million dollar questions for all of us ZF owners looking to beef up our transmissions (19 version of course) in anticipation and release of TT and supercharger set-ups, how do we as the consumer, coordinate such a build from you?

pa...you don't as yet! not till sponsor this forum or i find enough interest to set up in the states and/or i sign up a capable franchisee!

Does the 4K price tag to build this tranny require a core tranny to build or is this something you obtain, build and deliver? What is the total price to include a ball park shipping charge to deliver this built tranny to us in the US?

pa... i need cores as we don't have these trans here! hence also the above response but i will come and set up there if there is enough response!!!

The reason I ask is the cost to supply our own tranny will certainly raise the cost not to mention being without our ride for a period while you build it? Most of us use our cars on a day to day basis and creates a huge obsticle for many of us

pa... this is the same worldwide and the ori tcm needs to be reinstalled to your vehicle for trouble free operation and the above price does not include tcm or tcm failure this is common on taxi's here as they often try to cheat and use inferior fluids but otherwise have not seen one fail

My thoughts are you would acquire the tranny, build it, and then ship it with a core charge. Then I'm assuming when we take reciept of the built tranny, we would ship our stock one and the core charge you charge would get credited back to us. I'm speaking out loud here and I'm assuming this is the most efficient means to streamlining this process so we aren't without our rides. American aftermaket tranny companies like B&M follows a simliar program.

pa... yes for sure once we sponsor the site and set up there!

One of the concerns that I have with the ZF tranny specifically with the 19 in the 3.8 is rising tranny temps under hard loads. It has been documented in track testing that once the 19 gets over heated, the ECU will put the tranny in safe mode which interrrupts the manual matic feature which doesn't allow shift at redline.

pa...yes this is true with the 26 too! turn it off and on and its reset! with fords unknown in hyundai!

From what I read, the shifts when the tranny is heated is reduced by 2K or so. How much of this is actual facts is to be questioned, but it is a big concern. With your build how are you taking care the this heat problem?

pa...this issue is much worse on our 26's! as we average 500 hp from a tuned 6 here and yes i've tuned over 400 fords at or above this level!!! as to heat see below

Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

Please share with the forum
1, we use the best grade oils/fluids we can
2, we manufacture cooler kits for these in fords here
3, we once built remove many restrictions that cause friction both in the oil flow and mechanically these are our intellectual property though!
4 we are 1 of 2 builders world wide that have proven over 800 rwhp from these! the other is a mate!
 

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Dave you would be correct, however, I would like to know how they addressed the issue for cooling. I have not looked at our tranny cooler set-up, but on many cars, the radiator combines the trans cooler collectively. Since I haven't taken a look at our set-up, I'm uncertain if our trans cooler is separate from the radiator. If it is, bonus and then I'm assuming the built tranny will accompany a larger trans cooler which would address the cooling issues that I have. Yes, let the pro answer this for sure
can't comment for sure on the v6, but ours are made by ktm the bike manufacturer and are inline with the heater circuit and then we add a oil to air in series or the same with a fan!
 

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1, we use the best grade oils/fluids we can
2, we manufacture cooler kits for these in fords here
3, we once built remove many restrictions that cause friction both in the oil flow and mechanically these are our intellectual property though!
4 we are 1 of 2 builders world wide that have proven over 800 rwhp from these! the other is a mate!
Phase, great feedback and I was right in assuming that you would need our transmissions to do the build. You brought another major concern with getting the TCM reinstalled. Can you ellaborate what you mean in this statement? Does your rebuild require a specialized TCM to operate correctly with the modded trans? Please explain the process please. Thanks
 

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Phase, great feedback and I was right in assuming that you would need our transmissions to do the build. You brought another major concern with getting the TCM reinstalled. Can you ellaborate what you mean in this statement? Does your rebuild require a specialized TCM to operate correctly with the modded trans? Please explain the process please. Thanks
simple we build a box we shelve it! you send yours we remove your valve body and tcm clean and adjust it make a few changes the reinstall it into prepped box!

or here we have it down pat we strip clean your box install pre modded bits from stock and the trans is out same or next day for your own unit back!!! so if you have low k's you don't end up with a high k box or if you have pampered yours you don't get one that was driven like it was stolen!!!
 

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please keep questions generic as i don't want sponsor issues! thanks!

normally i would just sponsor the site regardless but this one is 4 times the price of most sites i sponsor with the same members in my market!!!
 

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please keep questions generic as i don't want sponsor issues! thanks!

normally i would just sponsor the site regardless but this one is 4 times the price of most sites i sponsor with the same members in my market!!!
Phase, trying to keep the questions out of advertisement mode to avoid violating the forum rules for non-sponsorship. My questions however are simple in their content in that your process by which you beef up trannies is more informative than it is advertising. We are all hungry for information and we all want options especially as the GC and the aftermarket matures. Soon TTs/Superchargers will become available and drivetrain modifications will soon need to follow. This is your opportunity to get a jump on the market in anticipation for these products...

You are all over this forum and your name is well known. Take a look at the big picture, the price to be a sponsor could certainly be outwieghed if you were actually able to sponsor your products on this forum. It's all about networking your products; the more you get out there, the better it is for everyone. Just my thoughts...
 

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Phase, trying to keep the questions out of advertisement mode to avoid violating the forum rules for non-sponsorship. My questions however are simple in their content in that your process by which you beef up trannies is more informative than it is advertising. We are all hungry for information and we all want options especially as the GC and the aftermarket matures. Soon TTs/Superchargers will become available and drivetrain modifications will soon need to follow. This is your opportunity to get a jump on the market in anticipation for these products...

You are all over this forum and your name is well known. Take a look at the big picture, the price to be a sponsor could certainly be outwieghed if you were actually able to sponsor your products on this forum. It's all about networking your products; the more you get out there, the better it is for everyone. Just my thoughts...
i agree totally but for the fact i have australia and china to look after and china is new real new so if its to work i need to concentrate there!

if i had a shop in the us whats $400 a month!

and tbh this is market research in a way for the chinese market as you have the same vehicle and you speak english! well yank close enough lol!!!

i do wish to set up there and when the time is rite all you will see is my name not only here but on other sites too!
 
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