[CrookedH]

Nice work. Last I had heard they were just having issues getting rid of a cel from the ecu not having control over dbw, , everything else was functional though. That cel issue resolved now?

 

[CrookedH]

Definitely interested in that harness. Since a user tunable ECU flash solution is looking like it's going to take 6-12 months still, the haltech is seeming like a better option for me.

 

[CrookedH]

It would be something I would consider if it's less then a PowerX or TurboXS flash modules for boltons, or 'items' where you can ask someone 'hey I got intake, intercooler, DW's 500 cc injectors and turbo back exhaust' - $100-150 later you got a canned tune. I would have a hard time justifying the extra few horsepower for over $1,000.

When you start going more custom like turbo / cams, big power, then yes the Haltech is a no brainer at this point since there is no tuning options. Reviewing functions, the tuning tables the Sprint would provide would be equivalent to the CMD, and the Sport would be a proper ECU replacement

Might change my mind when prices are released.

It's not just a "few extra horsepower" you'll get. You also aren't locked into paying a specific person for a tune developed for another car, at a different elevation, with different parts, etc. While most of the canned tunes are pretty good there have been some people posting high 12:1 - 13:1 a/f ratios with their dyno's from canned tunes. Even my BR stage 3 tune drifts up to a mid 12.x:1 bfore I tweaked with the CMD.

Canned tunes are not a final solution IMO.

 

[CrookedH]

Standard 19T or custom?

 

[CrookedH]

Nice. You guys work quick, that's for sure. Pretty slick catch can too.

 

[CrookedH]

Geez.. how can it be THAT better than a canned tune ? I know canned tune are not the final answer and all, but all you have is simple bolt on and you getting closer and closer to 300WHP... im not impressed, im amazed.

CANT WAIT!

Where do you see close to 300whp? I'm seeing mid 250's on their dyno. Impressive but not 300...

 

[CrookedH]

Well if you read again i said its getting closer to, never said it was close to 300 as nearly at 300. Initialy it made 234, now with further tuning and a few bolt on, its sitting at 250. Full bolt on with the final tune, it will most likely be closer to 300whp than any setup we currently have available

For me, 300whp is my goal. And if i can achiev that without changing everything under the hood, this is what i'll look for and what impress me.

300whp isn't going to happen withbthe stock turbo.

 

[CrookedH]

Very impressive! In for details on the turbo. I only put down 305 with the BR upgraded stocker. I figured it had another 10-20whp in it but not 35. I guess it's all in the tune.

WHHHHAAAT? From a stocker with a different wheel????

X2!!

 

[CrookedH]

Looking at both turbos the upgraded one got a slightly larger turbine and billet compressor wheel.
...:

Any idea the size of the compressor wheel? Beyond Redlines is 64mm iirc. Wondering if I could expect similar results from mine with a better tune. If so I may just ditch the Evo setup in my garage and stick with this one since 350whp is about the most I'd want to push on the stock internals. IMHO 340whp with an upgraded stocker is kind of a game changer. So far the only ones hitting those kind of numbers have gone with GT30's and Evo swaps. Still using the stock boost solenoid or did you guys go with something else?

 

[CrookedH]

^You would get those numbers if you upgraded to the HL wheel and upped the boost, maybe even a little better if you clipped the HL wheel.
The tune on that car is superb though. Hats off to crispeed:bowdown:

Whats the advantage of the HL wheel over the billet wheel in the BR/FP turbo? I couldn't get mine to hold much more than ~18psi at redline on the dyno but on the road I can hold 21psi to redline. I even swapped in a tougher spring in my BOV and tightened the actuator a turn on the dyno, but no dice. My tune that runs ~11.7:1 a/f on the road was running ~ 11-11.2:1 on the dyno. Almost seems like the engine has to have more load to get the turbo to hold the boost.

 

[CrookedH]

That 64mm would be the compressor wheel exduce dimensions I hope?
You got inducer dimensions or pics of the BR turbo?
What about the turbine section dimensions?



What's the WG actuator's rating?

The following is the only bit of info they posted about it. I think they mentioned clipping the turbine too.

"The tiny factory compressor wheel is replaced with a revolutionary Billet 65mm HTA wheel (A Forced Performance exclusive)"

Pic from another member of the Beyond Redline "Stage 3" next to a stock turbo

ATP Actuator. ATP says 12-15lb on the site

 

[CrookedH]

much larger a/r would result in more lag though, and it looks like they're spooling just as quick if not quicker than the BR turbo.

 

[CrookedH]

After you are done blowing minds on the 6 speed, don't forget about us auto trans folks. There are a bunch of us too and I would pull the trigger based on keeping stock turbo. I like low latency and early boost myself. If $2000 can fund a new ECU, new turbo parts, and approach 300whp : This is my plan once a pay off the Gen.

Just wondering what folks are spending to those numbers above 300whp, on builds other than this one? Anybody want to share? I think the responses would be averaging around $3000+. Just a guess there on my part.

You'll need at least $3K to get it done, probably closer to the 4K-5K range if you go with a Haltech solution.

I've got just under $4K into mine for just over 300whp.

 

[CrookedH]

Were you using drag racing tires?

It makes me wonder how other 400+ whp GC's axles have been able to hold up while this one didn't.

Have any of those 400+whp coupes been down the drag stip numerous times though? Not doubting, really don't know... I know Vu made a couple passes at ~375whp but his CM clutch took a dump on one of them.

 

[CrookedH]

..I don't want to be thinking about 1/2 sharts right now.

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1/2 a shart will definitely be better than a full shart. I'd agree though, nobody wants to think about sharting.

 

[CrookedH]

Awesome news. Will it come with a base map loaded or will were have to start from scratch?

 

[CrookedH]

This is going to be awesome. Cant wait to FINALLY have control if the tune on my car. No more relying on canned tunes, overpriced modules, and piggy backs.

Cats outta the bag now, Testing to happen this coming Monday


My car will also be at PRI in Orlando running with the Haltech Pro Plug-in ECU on
the DynoDynamics dyno outside using the PRW 19T upgrade(finally time to see
what this 19T PRW Stage 3 turbo can do with a proper tuning solution)

Oh and Crispeed will be doing the tuning!:bowdown::bowdown:

Hopefully he can repeat the 340whp tune he did on a different upgraded stocker months back. If not maybe you guys can find out what upgrades they did to the stock turbo and sell those.

 

[CrookedH]

There'll still be a market for canned tunes and even piggy backs but this is big for anyone wanting control over their own cars. Steep cost but we'll worth it.

Anyone know if they come with a base tune or do we have to start from scratch?

 

[CrookedH]

Whodathunkit? A company actually providing training for a tuning solution they sell!!

 

[CrookedH]

Nit picking really but, bbb, how are you the first 20t in the us tuned with a halech when crispeed already put down 340whp with an upgraded stock turbo tuned with a haltech?