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You can also pick up a higher A/R antisurge 3 inch inlet compressor housing off ebay. It is a very nice performance upgrade, and also totally cured my surging. It was around 150 iirc, and it even comes with a spare wheel.
 
BOV doesn't open (or it's not supposed to) when the system is pressurizing.
 
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You can also pick up a higher A/R antisurge 3 inch inlet compressor housing off ebay. It is a very nice performance upgrade, and also totally cured my surging. It was around 150 iirc, and it even comes with a spare wheel.
Sounds like you originally had a pretty crap turbo if you had to resort to a ebay compressor housing!!


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Sounds like you originally had a pretty crap turbo if you had to resort to a ebay compressor housing!!


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Actually Kinugawa and Kamak both offer Antisurge housings for their turbos, and I am about to get one for my 20G to cure my persistent 4th gear part throttle only surge. This type of surge is common on upgraded big turbos with manual boost controllers. Antisurge housings from all vendors pretty much are available on ebay.

Here's the Kinugawa one, it's only like $130. The beauty of these Mitsubishi based turbos is that there's a massive range of parts out there to customize them, and you can chealy and inexpensively customize the turbo to your specific needs. An Antisurge housing is a good " analog" way of curing part throttle surge issues on big turbo/mbc setups. It's why most really big turbos come with antisurge housings to begin with.

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Here's the Piranha Racewerks stage 4 turbo which is made by Master Power, also has an Anti Surge housing from the factory

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Here's the TurboXS big turbo kit, which uses Garrett GT and GTX turbos , which are some of the best out there- also come from the factory with Anti Surge compressor housings

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Along with the ability to change to different compressor housings, which are all available on ebay for super cheap- you can also put bigger or smaller housings and make turbos that don't exist - Like you can take a td05-16g and put a 20g antisurge cover with garrett 60-1 billet wheel for ~~$250- and make a monster turbo that easily out classes a standard 20g in terms of power output. Or you can take a TD06-18G and put a 16g antisurge housing and billet wheel in it and make something that would be a midrange power monster. You can do all of that stuff very inexpensively, and buy good brands on ebay for cheap.

So basically what I'm saying, 47 posts guy, is that everything about your statement is wrong. You also don't know what Rspec white is running as far as turbos.
 
Well let's see..

My turbo blanket came from ebay
My type b bezel for my Nexus 7 dashboard install came from ebay
My center caps
My genesis wing logos
My check valves
My caliper paint


...all came from ebay in the last 12 months



I don't know how you feel " it doesn't seem right" to buy off ebay. It's just an online store no different from Amazon for the most part. You know ebay owns Paypal right? Surely you use Paypal. Why would you not buy from the place that has the best overall price for a brand new product? You think you're too good for ebay? lol. Get real dude.

I get your point, i just think it's f*cking stupid.
 
Like you can take a td05-16g and put a 20g antisurge cover with garrett 60-1 billet wheel for ~~$250- and make a monster turbo that easily out classes a standard 20g in terms of power output.
Wait, what? Walk me through this like I'm an idiot, please. Explain the swap, if you would. I'm worried that I have a seized stud on my turbo or manifold, per my installer... can the cold side housing and the compressor wheel be replaced while the hot side is still mounted to the engine? ****, for $250, I'd do this before my tune at TXS.
 
I believe the center cartridge is pretty much the same on all the td05's and td06's. You can put any compressor housing you want on there with matching compressor wheel and make any hybrid turbo you want. Kinugawa offers the 3" antisurge housing for the 16,18,20,25G, but they all will fit on the center cartridge for the TD05. Kinugawa also offers a garrett 60-1 compressor wheel and can offer a antisurge housing to match that wheel, which pretty much makes something that spools like your 16g but has power output bigger than a 20g

Here is one of their compressor wheels that will fit your turbo-

Turbo Compressor Billet Wheel with Extend Tip / Small Central Mitsubishi TD05 TD06 TD06SL2 20G

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Here is the garrett 60-1 wheel that Kinugawa offers
Mitsubishi TD05 TD06 Turbo Compressor billet wheel Garrett 60-1
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They also offer the non billet version of that garretty 60-1 compressor wheel, which costs half as much

Mitsubishi TD05 TD06 Turbo Compressor wheel Garrett 60-1

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Once you've selected the wheel you want, you can just order the 3" antisurge housing for that wheel-

Anti Surge Turbo Compressor Housing 3" TD05 / TD06 Fit 16G / 18G / 20G / 60-1 compressor wheel

I think the antisurge housings don't have the section for the hot side bypass valve, so if you went that route you would first have to get a cold side BOV.

I hope that explains well enough?

Also yes, I think the compressor housing and wheel can be removed and swapped while the turbo is still mounted to the manifold. I think it's just one V band clamp and one nut that holds the housing on to the turbo
 
Waaaat.... Oh my, this may actually happen. I'm running a Synapse BOV on the cold side charge pipe already.

So if I drop in that 60-1 billet wheel, spool should still be decent, due to its design and my TD05, and it would take my 310-ish power up nearer... like 400? Thinking it's kinda like a 3076 wheel... So with that, I could have it tuned down to about 375whp and run nice and cool for worry free tracking?
 
Looks like there's a question of if the wheel really fits, or can be driven hard enough by the TD05... You think the billet design and new compressor housing would make this work?
 
I don't see why the wheel wouldn't fit, as long as you got the anti surge compressor housing to match the wheel you pick. The wheels are splined to a td05 shaft, so all of them will fit the same shaft. I don't think billet makes that much of a difference in performance, it might increase spool by a few hundred rpm max due to being lighter, but it may not even be noticeable. The difference will come more from the fin design, than the fact that it is billet.

I have never used or ridden in a car with the garrett 60-1 wheel, but google searching says it is beasty. I am pretty sure it will be more laggy, but have massive top end power.
 
Don't want more lag... It looks like these Kinugawa options were not around when that thread I linked was active. I think this should work fine, but I shot off an email to Kinugawa to make sure. I'm gonna talk with them and Jermaine about my needs and his comfort level tuning a setup like this. It may be that a 20G wheel will suit my needs better cuz I don't wanna go crazy power on the stock block, and my stock intake and exhaust manis are still gonna limit pretty much anything I put on there. Just want a reliable, rock solid 380-400whp if possible, with no worry about torque spikes, high IATs or leaning out blowing my motor.

I assume you limited hp output on your setup by choice, kinda thinking the same things I am?
 
Fyi:

I'm running a kinugawa td05-16g on my genesis coupe. Need to get retuned soon, and I'm looking at options for modifying the turbo. If i bought your td05 td06 garrett billet 60-1 wheel and your anti surge compressor housing, would it pretty much just be a drop in affair? Remove v-band, remove 16 housing and wheel, replace with 60-1 billet wheel and larger housing, rebolt the v-band and go? Or is there machining that needs to be done to make it fit right? For the price this is an extremely attractive option right now.


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hi dan,

you need to machine the bearing housing to fit 60-1 with larger exducer diameter.
You have to rebalance the chra as well if you change the wheel.
The price is 249 for the compressor housing and billet 60-1 wheel.

Regards,
bruce
 
Jermaine don't care, he can tune anything. He will figure out the flow properties of your turbo while he is tuning it. You can make any amount of power on any turbo, it's up to you how much boost you want to use. For example- on my first dyno pass with the 20g, it made 270whp @ 14psi. If you're using the stock MAP sensors, you can safely go up to 22psi.

I really want to go all out and get the garrett 60-1 setup, I theorize that it will make more power, and spool faster than a td06sl2-20g. I also have my exhaust manifold ported and ceramic coated, and my turbo ceramic coated by grimmspeed on mine, which helps with flow and spool. I'm also trying out this turbo blanket, which surprisingly actually seems to make a difference in spool time, even on top of my porting work. I'm amazed actually, and it's just a cheap ebay one too. I am going to try a real one next, like a DEI or PTP. The T3 one fits our turbos btw, and does not interfere with the wastegate actuator arm.


You can easily get 300-330whp @20psi from your untouched 16g, maybe more since you run a haltech. I think the 16g might max out around 350whp with a really dialed in tune and some 750cc injectors. The 16g-20g are all pretty similar below 20psi, marginally different, they aren't even that different in spool time. People say the 20G really wakes up around 25psi, totally different character, but you can't safely do 25psi on the genesis unless you upgrade your MAP sensors. PRW makes a good kit, that's what I'm going to get before my next tune. I might also go back to the EBCS and run the MBC as a safeguard on top to allow some fine tuning of the low end boost curve so I can safely run 25psi max on the top end- I don't need 25psi coming on at part throttle lol. MBC is a double edged sword, it's hardcore beast mode style all the time and really consistent, but, it's also hardcore beast mode style all the time. Know what I mean? I think my 20g is good for a bit more than the 16g max, I make 333whp now at 19.5psi, and they say the 20g can hold around 28psi to redline if your engine can handle it. I say a stock 20g can do at least 375whp. The garrett wheel and bigger housing would be good bit more than the 20g. I really have no way of knowing how it would affect spool time since i've never even seen the garret wheel or kinugawa antisurge housing in person, but I can say the 20g with ported manifold spools fast- fast enough that I get that 4th gear surge I mentioned earlier, which is why i need the antisurge housing. Don't get me wrong, there are times here and there when you catch the 20g off guard and it can feel a wee bit lazy. When you do it right though, it goes like STANK.

Torque spikes can be tuned out if you use your OEM EBCS since you have full control of boost duty cycle at any givn rpm, it's a bit harder to do when you run a MBC since the turbo will always try to go to wastegate spring pressure immediately, but not impossible.

Oh on another note, I was taking a closer look at my stock turbo and manifold. It looks like you have two ways of installing the antisurge housing. The V band clamp holds the compressor housing and center cartridge assembly to the turbine side. SO if you go that route, youll also have to take off the oil and coolant lines too, then disassemble everything. Seems like a lot of work.

It looks like there is a large flat spring clip that holds the compressor housing to the center cartridge. You will need a spring clip retainer remover, and if you can reach it, you can just pop that clip off and the compressor housing should come right off. You might be able to do that part without removing anything else. Just as long as that clip is accessible in your engine bay and you can actually get the remover tool on it. There is a great video on youtube showing how to take apart a 16g, it might be helpful to us. I'll see if I can find it.
 
Ask Bruce how he recommends going about the rebalancing process. Do we send the turbos back to Kinugawa for that or is it something commonly done by machine shops, etc

ALso ask him what has to be machined down!

So basically it looks like, no matter what you are fully taking the turbo off the car to do this . Is there any machining necessary to just change from the 20g, to 20g antisurge housing? Need details lol!
 
Here are the videos on how to rebuild a tdo5h-16g. ( should be almost the same procedure as our turbos , with only slight differences )


 
No machining for the 20G. I won't rebuild the turbo without balancing, so I may as well pay to get the whole job done. Gotta see if it's affordable right now. Got a call out to Blouch Turbo in PA so I'll let you know what I hear back.
 
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