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It is too thin because a lot of the people here use Mobil1 which is substandard for the gc. The car runs way rich which dilutes the oil with fuel. Also Mobil1 shears from 30w to 20w in 5K miles. Imagine if you were using 20W and it sheared down to 10w. That isn't enough to protect the motor.

If you want to run 5w20 change your oil <3000 miles.
 
The viscosity spread is wider on the 5-30 whch is why they shear done to a 20W.

It's well documented that the 5-20's don't shear done any lower than 20. They are considered a more stable viscosity oil.

My oil cap says to use 5W-20 but I think I saw where a 2010 model said 5W-30. Not sure what to make of that.
 
I recently read a really LONG thread on oil and I do not remember if it was linked off of this forum or not. In a nutshell: The first number is how well the oil flows when cold. The lower the better as far as start-up wear goes. If you are using say 10 - 30W you will be damaging your engine on start-up. It is too thick when cold. The second number is how thick it is when hot. Here you want probably 20 or 30. Some say for real racing go up to 40+. I am using 5 -30W in the summer and will use 5 - 20W in the winter. I would use 0 - xxW if it were available in a synthetic blend. Full synthetic is too pricey with 3k oil changes required on the turbo per Hyundai TSB. The manual states 5 - 20W or 5 -30W for typical applications.
 
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I had my 5w30 Mobil one tested at 3500 miles when I changed it and it showed very little shear (cst was at 9.4) and minor fuel dilution.
 
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Something I found interesting . . .the AMSOIL site USED to recommend 0W20 for the Genesis Coupe back a couple months ago and I checked now and it's changed to 5W-20. Interesting . . . .


Thoughts?
 
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I don't know why. IMO 20 weight oil is 20 weight oil. Unless Hyundai wants a thicker oil when it's cold out for the cold start.
 
Mobil 1 and Amsoil both say 5W-20 is optimal for both the I4 and the V6. I'd say stick with that for 99% of the people on this forum.
 
I was gonna come in here guns blazing to post that article.

I <3 Red Raspberry.
 
a question here... I use Eneos 5w40 and i live in central america, the temperature everyday is like 90-100F at night 77-85F and alot of humidity, I don't really knnow about oil viscocity or anything, just that 5w is temperature for winter and 40 is hot temp.. so my logic will be if i get a higher temp like from 30 to 40 would it be better?? because some people told me that 5w30 would be ideal to use here in panama but 5w40 wouldn't be better??
 
From Hyundai Service Website:

Selection Of Engine Oil
API classification : SL, SM or above
ILSAC classification : GF3, GF4 or above
SAE viscosity grade : 5W-20, 5W-30, 5W-40

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Engine oil

Oil quantity
Total
6.0L (6.34US qt, 5.28lmp qt)
When replacing a short engine or a block assembly

Oil pan
5.5L (5.81US qt, 4.84lmp qt)

Drain and refill
5.2L (5.49US qt, 4.58lmp qt)
Including oil filter

Oil grade
Recommendation
5W-20/GF4&SM
If not available, refer to the recommended API or ILSAC classification and SAE viscosity number.

Classification
API SL, SM or above
ILSAC GF3, GF4 or above
Satisfy the requirement of the API or ILSAC classification.

SAE viscosity grade
Recommended SAE viscosity number
Refer to the "Lubrication System"
 
^^ But these 'genius' engineers also say 5.49 qt when I use about 4.6-4.8 to hit the full line. lol


But to answer the OP's rhetorical questionm no, it is not too thin....for those that didn't read the article and think he is stating a fact that it is too thin (what I first thought when reading the title). And though as Tufast shows our manual doesn't have 0w in it, it doesn't mean that you can't use it, it might say don't use a thinner grade oil, but 0w isn't thinner.....

That was a good article, but I only agree with 90% of the stuff he said. Namely the oil thinning not being an issue, I didn't agree with that part.

I do understand that much of engine wear occurs from starting and it being too thick, and it is great of him to explain why. It was also funny to read where he talks about people with engine leaks giong to a thicker oil causing a simple gasket issue compounded with massive engine wear and failure. I think it is the same reason people say seafoam 'broke' their engine by causing it to leak lol. It didn't break your engine, it did what it is advertized as diong, it cleaned it! You engine is just so old and in bad shape, you now have oil leaks that were 'sealed' up with gunk and sludge.

Though the one great thing that I think he kind of covered but not as much as he repeated the other stuff is how great synthetics are. They cling SOOOO much better, and even a 20w synthetic will benefit you over a 5w dino. A 20w might be to thick to flow properly at 75f, but it doesn't need flow as many synthetics can run a min or so (at idle) with no oil flow.

The other thing he showed in a chart but didn't mention is how synthetics only come in ow, that is kind of how you can tell it is a synthetic without research. This is because that split would be to far which he talked about with VI additives ect, that is why mineral oils generally 5w20 or a 10w60, it is rare to see a 5w60 or a 0w30 dini oil, they would break down way too fast.

I do find it interesting that he spoke of oil getting thicker over time, I think he needed to clarify that only the 75f rating gets thicker, the 212 gets thinner? He siad synthetics don't break down at all? I am not sure I agree with that. And I have UOA's that prove different. They do get thinner at 212, especially when fuel mixes in the oil. The cSt goes down. But I do understand what he means about the 75f getting thicker.

And weight just makes it more simple, I don't care if it is technically correct, just like winter grade makes it simple, as long as you are using them both properly. I think the large issue is people using "w" to abbreviate weight, they should use wt at least if they don't spell it out, but thin, of "w" as winter, it is just a good reminded to know that we are talking about the colder temps, even though 75f isn't nessisarily "winter", it is way coler thatn 212f.

BUT, my main beef with his article is he wrote this to the avg joe OEM car who rarely if ever goes WOt or redlines. Sure most of the engine wear is from startup with those cars and everything he said is true with reagards to that. BUT you do need a thicker oil if you go WOT often and hit redline. Which many of the GC drivers are car enthusiast do. When you drive harder you are increasing the stress on the parts and need a thicker oil to lubricate/cusion the parts from contacting one another. 10cSt might be fine for 1000-4000rpm, but I am not sure if I agree with that at 5krpm+. Though he did talk abou the indy cars running 15krpm using a 10 weight or 20 weight. Though I am sure the clearances and pumps are much more different on an indy car, so I don't think you should use one to compare a factory car to. So sure, you might get a slightly slower flow or a higher psi from a thicker oil, but I would trade that over too thin of an oil and some damage. Using too thick of an oil at startup will slowly damge your engine over time.....a long time. But using too thin an oil can cause very servere damage and/or catostrophic failure almost instantly. So I would be a bit more cautious on that instant catostrophic side than the slow little bit over time side. That and 20 weight has a pretty huge variance in cSt depending on the brand. A 20 weight could be a 5.6-9.29cSt, so first of all, you aren't even hitting this 10 cSt that he recommended, but you are close IF you buy the right brand. But, if you could be using a 5.6 which is terrible, and if that breaks down at all..... not good for the guy that goes WOT to redline in that car. But a 30 weight runs 9.3-12.49cSt. So if you get the bad stuff, you could be slightly under, but if you get the good stuff, you are over it or right on it, and if you shear a bit and go down, you are still above the 10cSt, so you are safer for the next time you decide to go WOT to redline. Probably the reason ferarri recommends a 60 weight for the tracked cars, thciker oil is needed when you push it and go to redline.

I also thought it was good of him to differentiate between water cooling and oil cooling.

And comparing a 75w90 gear oil to a 0w40 motor oil was retarded, or I didn't get the point anyway.

I do agree with him to use a 0w, I have done that ever since I started leaning/researching about oils, and you can drive up to 3250rpm, though I tend to want to be a little safe and I drove 2750rpm right on a cold start in the winter. It heats your oil up faster and you it is thin enough that I feel safe that it doesn't do any damage or wear and my UOA agreed with me. I turned my car on, waited about 5-10 secs (but this isn't waiting time per se, but more of getting seatbelt on ect.) starting driving and kept the rpm between 2500-2750rpm to heat my car and self up faster lol, and the oil. Now I would never do that with a dino oil, those as he said become like honey and they take forever to warm up and a heater blanket is recommended if you used dino oil below 30*f. So I would recommend a 0w30 for the enthusialst of this car, and have see good UAO's with PP/PU 0e30, Amsoil0w30, and Castrol Syntec (European Formula/GC 0w30), and for the DD soccer moms out there that bought this car and never go above 5krpm or ever go WOT, a 0w20 wiehg twould probably be fine, and you would get better gas mileage, and as said above maybe a few more hp, but then again, if you are seeking HP, you are probably going WOT in which case you would want the 30 weight. I did see a 1-3mpg loss from a 20 weight to a 30 weight, it is thicker, it you have pumping losses.
 
whatnot, I guess I'm not clear if a 0-20W full synthetic is completely appropriate for a DD 3.8?

Is it required to be changed for a track day? Too what? A 5-30W?

Has any one measured any hp gains dropping from say a 5-20W synthetic to a 0-20W?

Thanks.
 
I run Mobil 1 5w-30 all year round, ranging temperatures from -45c to +45c. My oil is changed every 3 months or 5000km whichever comes first. No engine issues at all, bearings were even good when we inspected them during the transmission test.

Hyundai Canada recommends 5w-30 QuakerState Advanced on the 2.0T and 5w-20 on the 3.8. Full Synthetic QuakerState Ultimate recommended after first 5000km or first oil change whichever comes first.

I couldn't give a sh*t what any article says or anyone else.. Hyundai supplies my warranty and they have guidelines to maintain it, follow the guidelines or fight with a 3rd party (the oil supplier) for repairs in the event of a failure.

Hyundai Canada Corp. told me that as long as it conforms to a minimum specification of API SL, SM or above, ILSAC GF3, GF4 or above and either 5W-20, 5W-30 or 5W-40 they don't care who makes it.

I'll stick with my Mobil 1 that meets all those specs..
ACEA A1,B1,A5,B5
API SM,SL,SJ,EC,CF
ILSAC GF4
 
whatnot, I guess I'm not clear if a 0-20W full synthetic is completely appropriate for a DD 3.8?

Is it required to be changed for a track day? Too what? A 5-30W?

Has any one measured any hp gains dropping from say a 5-20W synthetic to a 0-20W?

Thanks.
A 20 weight is a 20 weight, so a 5w20 would act just like a 0w20 or a 10w20. That one of the points of his article. There would be no power gain or mpg gain or any descernable difference in a 5w20 or a 0w20, except with regards to cold starts and more potential damage with the 5w. I really so no reason why anyone in this day and age would not use a 0w on an gas engine IF it was availible in the weight they wanted/needed. I think this stems from like he spoke of with dino oils and the VI additives and the less the split the better generally speaking with shearing ect. That is why when using a 30w one would use a 5w or 10w. but with synthetics, I see no reason to use a 0w even with a 40 weight. I don't know that much, but with the research I have done, I see no reason at all to ever use a anything other than a 0w on a gas engine.

But like snoopy said, the warranty maker makes the best choice for you, but if you allready voided it like so many on here, I would go with a 0w30 for the 2.0t or the 3.8.

I wouldn't nessisarly is change it out in preparation for a track day, if you only have 1-3k miles on it, it should be fine for a track day, though I would think more of changing it out after a track day. Or just do a UAO after a track day and see how well it holds up and how much longer you can go with it. But changing the winter grade fora track day makes no sense in my book, you run hot on the track. I don't know why you chose to stick a 5w in front of your 30 weight, unless you are talking dino oil, and trying to save a bit of money since you are only using the oil for 1 day. But yes, I would say a 30 weight oil would be recommended over a 20 weight on a track day or anytime you want to go WOT or near redline. And would only recommend a 20 weight if you really drive docile and want slightly better mpgs when not on the track.

Though 0w doesn't mean it is thinner scientifically or anything, I do think it does run a bit thinner in the cSt range, but this is a choice oil copmanies make with additives ect. since most people think it is thinner, so they make it thinner, if that makes any sense. I really ahev nothing ot back that up, but that is a guess on my part. I mean a 20 weight is a 20 weight regardless of the winter grade, but I just know it has a large cSt range and it varies greatly between company and winter grades and the addtives they decide to use in one and not the other ect.

And I would never advise anyone to use a weight lower than recommended in the manual nor would I say any higher. They did design the engine and they clearances and the pressures, they are generally spot on, and they give a range for a reason. but the winter grade of that weight is a different story, I again see no reason to not use a 0w, but I think even though synthetics have been out a while, companies don't want people to see a 0w and think it is thin and 0w never used to exsist so they just keep with the ol' 5w20 and 10w30. But again that is just my opinion on why.
 
I'd just like to add to whatnot;

If you've modded the f*ck out of your car... take some time and figure out what your average opperating temperature is, then you can better guess what hot weight you want/need. Bigger turbo's with higher boost that are oil cooled or share an oil line for lubrication can really raise your oil temps, the 2.0T in particular doesn't have a great radiator for upgraded components so if your turbo is water cooled also then your going to have heat soak into your motor's cooling system too, further raising oil temps.

I've got a 2000hp V12 with a 40PSI OaLC Turbo that uses 144w-755 VI-105.. wouldn't use that in your GC but I think it shows my point.. you need to know what your temps are going to be to even start thinking of a long term oil solution. When you mod.. adjust if needed.

If your car will never see below +10c/50F then worrying about 0w-** is moot, just worry about the relation of *w to -** and your temps for ** to be efficient.

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By the way.. the V12 doesn't start below 0c.. oil's too thick.. just fyi.
 
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Don't guess. Get an oil temp gage. Even if it is a temporary one. I ran 5w30 M1 in +100F days this summer. With an oil cooler it got up to 275F max one time at the end of the day. I would have rather sen a 250F max. Still the oil came back from the lab as good with minor fuel dilution. And this was with another track day on it where the oil temps got over 300F.

If 5w30 is OK then for sure 0w30 is. Same with any 0wxx weight. The first number is for cold starts and thats it.

Ow20? Ford uses it in a lot of performance engines but their max performance turbos use 5w30. The Boss 302 uses 5w50.
 
Took me a while to plow thru that article but he does raise a lot of interesting points. Living somewhere like Colorado is utter hell on my cars oil for starters. We can go from freezing ass cold one day to warm and toasty the next. Was planning on switching my car to full synth as soon as the break in period is up anyway..it just seems like the smart thing to do on any turbo car.
 
Dang RR, that is some hot ass oil temps. No one should be running dino oil if that is the sort of oil temps the 2.0 reaches.

I haven't been on the track (yet). I do run it thru the gears and on occasion hit the canyons, but realistically it's very light duty compared to racing. My engine oil temps even on a 108 degree TX day tops out around 225.

What do you guys think about the oil pressure method of determining your correct oil weight?

I have a little cheap OBD scanner and I was hoping to view oil pressure but it's not one of the options in Torque for whatever reason.

PS. I ran some lightweight Motul racing oil (300V) circa 2002 in my GSXR1000 and although we didn't dyno before and after, the dyno operator claimed that mine had notably more hp than others he had dynoed, possibly due to that oil. The bike also sounded much rougher on that stuff. Notably more valve clatter that went away when I swapped back to a standard oil.
 
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