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Is it okay to take the car to the track

6.1K views 67 replies 38 participants last post by  merc_rmw  
#1 ·
And race it?

But I caught my neighbor waxing his brand new STI today and we talked cars for a bit. I told him that my car cost about half what he paid for his (for some reason he actually paid a little over sticker, mine is a 2.0T base package for which I paid under sticker) and he was "yeah right but my car is better." So naturally the conversation turned into a bragging contest and next thing I know I accepted his challenge to take it to the track.

However, I am worried that since my car still has less than 100 miles on it, would that destroy the engine due to it not being broken in?

I wouldn't take the car on a road coarse, so it would either be the dragstrip or an autocross event.

I'd love to show my neighbor the error of his ways but not at the expense of the engine.
 
#3 ·
rofl rofl :dunno::dunno:.....STI POWA
 
#5 · (Edited)
whoops double post =x
 
#8 ·
On a good note it won't harm the engine at all and if you invest wisely in mods you will be right there w/ him for still way less $.
 
#10 ·
Haha yeah, I know his car will probably win. Notice I said his car will probably win, not that he will probably win.

He is not a very good driver, but his car is faster than my 2.0T. Now, if I had the 3.6 it'd be a totally different story.

Still I want to try and see what will happen. My main concern was for the break-in period of the engine - I know you are supposed to drive a car very gently for the first couple of thousand miles. Racing the car seems to be the opposite of that logic. Losing at the track to someone with a faster car isn't anything to be embarrassed about, and if I win - then I can really rub it in his face.
 
#12 ·
Haha yeah, I know his car will probably win.Notice I said his car will probably win, not that he will probably win.

Although he is not a very good driver, his car is faster than my 2.0T. Now, if I had the 3.6 it'd be a totally different story.

Still I want to try and see what will happen. My main concern was for the break-in period of the engine - I know you are supposed to drive a car very gently for the first couple of thousand miles. Racing the car seems to be the opposite of that logic. Losing at the track to someone with a faster car isn't anything to be embarrassed about, and if I win - then I can really rub it in his face.
Look, even with the V6, you're still only putting down ~240-250whp MAX, so I wouldn't bet on it.

I have very capable car, track oriented setup, and on a short twisty track like where i go, I can keep up with higher HP cars, since they can;t really stretch their legs, but on a wide open track, higher HP cars will be on top, there's no way around that.

Also an AWD car will kill us coming out of the corners. But still go just for the fun of it, the GC is a very nice car to track, I can attest.

The break-in is very subjective to each owner, I broke mine in hard and fast, went WOT 50-100kms out of the dealership parking lot, I also tracked the car when I was around 7000km down, and never looked back.

Car runs great, but makes sure you maintain it properly.
 
#11 ·
Its not healthy for the engine to be running it like that with fewer than 1k miles on it. Dont waste your time trying to race him on the drag strip that sti is much faster than you. You could put up a decent fight in autocross though.
 
#13 ·
Cars aren't sold nowadays without being properly broken in before hand.

The whole break in proceedure for a new car isn't applicable anymore.

However, putting a few hundred more miles on the car wouldn't be hard anyways.
 
#14 ·
I wouldn't bother messing with a Sexually Transmitted Infection. It's a lose lose situation.
 
#16 ·
I've had both and STi and now a GC 3.8. In stock vs. stock, the STi wins hands down. Pairing a 2.0T to the STi is like trying to get a Geo Metro to challenge a Ferrari.

Shake your man-parts guys, this pissing contest is over.
 
#18 ·
2.0T Base

No LSD
Base brakes
Lol sub-200whp

STi

AWD traction for dem corners
Driver controlled traction controlled witchcraft
100 horsey powers advantage

Why did you challenge him to a race again?
 
#20 ·
First he was waxing his car, and now he's gonna wax yours. :rofl:

I bet he paid over sticker 'cause it's hard to get your hands on them and he didn't want to shop around. At least it seems like around here it is. Every time I see a WRX or STi in transit on the website for the local Scooby dealership, they're almost always sold before they hit the lot.
 
#21 ·
What everyone above said, the only way I ever out-do other cars is I'm just better at maneuvering through (lap)traffic :D
 
#23 ·
No one mentioned the STi oversteering into the wall though. :shrug:

It will still kill a stock Genesis. It has more HP, doesn't get any simpler than that.
 
#24 ·
How much should you drive your car to break it in? and how exactly should you break a car in?
 
#25 ·
Break it in hard and fast. If you have over a 100 miles most of the critical breaking in is already done. It will take 20k miles to get fully broke in. This shows up as the gas mileage continually improves over time up to that point.
 
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#29 ·
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#28 ·
To answer your main question, Genesis Coupes hold up really well on the track. Many members here frequent autocross and trackday events.
You should be aware that your waranty is pretty much void for anything that may break while on the track, and you're insurance likely won't cover you if you crash.
Beside those personal risks, the car is designed well and will hold up against some pretty aggressive driving.

That being said you don't want to go through with your race here. Your neighbor paid twice as much for his car because it costs that much. It's a much faster car and will hands down smoke your car.
I don't care if you are a better driver or not, and STI will SMOKE a 2.0t Coupe every day of the week. Unless that guy is drunk or blind, you will lose.
Your car is heavier, had less power, doesn't have nearly the hookup, nor the acceleration of an STI.
I took a regular WRX out for a test drive before I bought my 3.8 Coupe. I opted out of that car mostly because it was too fast. I felt i would rear end people at stop lights if I popped the clutch wrong. It just GOES!

You have a great car for the money but the key term here is "for the money". Genesis Coupes are awesome cars and compete really well against anything in it's price point. But it isn't a be all end all type of car. There are still plenty of cars out there that will smoke yours and there's nothing you can do other than accept that.

If you still want to go race, go ahead. But you are setting yourself up for embarrassment and disappointment if you think you have a chance of beating your neighbor in a drag or on the track.
 
#36 ·
I took a regular WRX out for a test drive before I bought my 3.8 Coupe. I opted out of that car mostly because it was too fast. I felt i would rear end people at stop lights if I popped the clutch wrong. It just GOES!
the WRX only has 224 horsepower... your 3.8 has 306.... :dunno:

seriously, I've owned one. They aren't as fast as you all are making them out to be.

the cars weigh about the same, the V6 has about the same HP as an STi.

granted that, yes, the STi being a turbo car will have an easier time making more HP on simple bolt ons than a 3.8. But seriously, it's not a Ferrari vs a Geo as someone stated...

But OP has a 2.0t, so yes, he doesn't stand a chance. :p
 
#31 · (Edited)
I agree that the 2.0T could not take a STI, but to all of you on the STI bandwagon explain the results from car and driver's lightning laps at VIR. Here is the website that I pulled this info from Sortable Times: Complete Lightning Lap Times 2006 to 2011 - Feature - Car and Driver

65 3:13.8 HYUNDAI GENESIS COUPE 3.8 R-SPEC LL1 2/11
66 3:13.8 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX STI SEDAN LL2 2/11
69 3:14.8 HYUNDAI GENESIS COUPE 3.8 LL1 2/10
75 3:16.5 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX SEDAN LL1 2/11
76 3:16.6 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX HATCHBACK LL1 2/10
83 3:19.0 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX STI HATCHBACK LL2 11/08

Granted the STI has mods out that can easily make it alot quicker, but it has been around alot longer than our car. Also the slower Genesis was an Auto Track spec that had rev hang issues. To the guy that said the regular WRX was faster than the 3.8 GC your just full of crap.

As for racing your car I would personally wait untill I hit atleast 1k then get an oil change before running it hard.
 
#32 ·
with a few mods on your car you could get some pretty decent numbers .. don't forget that the 2.0t has a better weight distribution than the 3.8 ..
 
#34 · (Edited)
Don't get rock hard over this factoid. A lot of the 2.0 guys think this is some big deal. It really doesn't mean much of anything because the difference is so nominal its almost not worth mentioning...... What is worth mentioning is that with some tuning / exhaust work and a good set of injectors you will be right neck to neck / beating a 3.8 for not too much money :) Plus its a lot more fun. Yes, I have a 3.8 but have driven a few nicely tuned 2.0s. I regretted the purchase of the 3.8.

PS, its not about numbers its about how the car handles the power. A stock 2011 STI is about 236WHP and 255TQ. I think with the right set of conditions a stock 3.8 Rspec would handle itself just fine. Thus the results from the Lightning Lap.
 
#33 ·
Get a BR reflash module ASAP! He will still cream you but maybe not as bad!
 
#35 ·
I have both, STI and 3.8.

Edge goes to GC in straight line at anything over than 60mph, and the STI is a hard car to launch, the GC will be faster to 0-60 most of the time as well.

Handling is lopsided, the STI just gives you a lot more confidence and is much better footed stock vs stock. The Dunlops are stickier than the RE50A (let's not even talk about the craptastic RE92A) and wider, no contest there.

A 2.0T base? Forget about it, any place, anytime, you lose.