I don't think they were misinformed, as Mr. K posted similar information that came from some executives at Hyundai.

 

I am really amazed at how often this very specific topic comes up, is confirmed from Hyundai Corporate, and then later... apparently forgotten... The first time it was ever mentioned that the nav could not be retro fitted it was Hyundai saying it... we all thought, well maybe that means that dealers wont do it, but with the parts we can retro fit it manually... it died down, then later it was dug up, everyone cried foul as though it had never been mentioned before.... Those who have been around said that it has been said... it died, then it came back up.... ad nauseum...

 

From what I've seen, to get to fit in a non nav gen, you would have to tap into the existing harness to add some connectors for a module that needs to be added and some of the pins on the existing connectors needs to be rearranged. Also the harness that is tied to the antennas would need to be replaced, meaning the dash, A pillar cover, side airbag and roof liner needs to be removed .

 

People... You don't understand...

The dash is different, the mounting arrangement is different, the wiring is different. It would require dash replacement ($2000), purchase of the new smaller display with the torque meter, etc (probably $200), the nav unit itself (I'm guessing around $2700 since the 09 Sonata's nav unit is $2500). That's not including any wiring issues. Get over it already, it can NOT be retrofitted.

I don't understand why some people INSIST on adding stuff they should have just waited to become available. It's not a big secret that the Coupe was getting nav mid-year. You will spend 3 times what the option package would actually add to the cost of a new car.

This is not me saying that dealers aren't willing to add it, this is me saying that it's WAY BEYOND financial feasibility. Anything is possible with enough money, but are you willing to void your warranty on TOP of spending $6000 for in dash nav?

 

kind of what I was implying with my earlier statement

 

 

great pic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Final nail, meet coffin.

 

someone just raised the dead....

 

I think part of the problem lies with Hyundai themselves. Reps at the Adrenaline events and their own customer service department have been saying that it can be retro-fitted, they really just have to get everyone on the same page.

 

Well, technically, it can...

 

Insta-ban for mentioning nav?

 

Or you could buy...

http://www.koreanautoimports.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=31_307_309&products_id=3042

and get rid of that Tiny LCD screen on the center console...just an idea

 

Or you could buy...

Korean Auto Imports

and get rid of that Tiny LCD screen on the center console...just an idea

i would be all over that if it supported where i could move the blue screen down toward the middle of the dash, that would be my ideal setup

 

is there a double DIN deck that will support having one thing being shown on one LCD and something else on another? Or would that only work with a Car PC? Was looking at getting that Dash monitor from KAI but it will only hold an LCD so was wondering what deck would support a seperate display. Any ideas?

 

mod a 7" lcd touchscreen to fit in there and run as interface/output for a carputer

steve

 

thanks for bringing this topic back up. i guess for those who want nav, the only way is to sell your car and buy another with nav hehe. but the thing that really got me is how much extra the nav is to add to say a 2.0T model? according to this video by the hyundai usa guys, its only $1200 extra??? that's a bargain IMO i realllly wish i waited.

 

buy a map. lol navigation is so over-rated.

 

Normally I would agree but a GPS comes in really handy when your looking for miscellaneous places to visit. (if you all of a sudden have a craving for Burger King, type in "Burger King" and its get your there).

You cant do that with a map no matter how much you scream at it.

 

while i don't dispute your claims, and i know this is a dead horse...but what on earth was hyundai thinking? you release a car without Navigation, so you can sell some as 2010's...half a year later you release the same car with navigation, but they are not retrofitable, meaning you now have two different manufacturing methods going on...for the sake of easy manufacturing, make the harness the same and on the non-nav cars just have empty pins! and while i think the nav system is super cool, i think the higher res info screen is just as much a reason to get the system...the one in the non-nav gens is a bit 1995

 

+1

 

I will just wait for a dash kit to come out and put a DVD nav system in

 

I got a U.S. road atlas for $6 at Wal-mart. Seems cheaper than $6,000 or a new car.

 

Apples to Oranges .....

I used to work for a courier, and they *insisted* we buy street guides from them, or we couldn't do delivery work for them. The owner wasn't really sold on the idea of a GPS, and claimed the drivers he had who tried them in the past got lost too much....

Honestly, the whole time I worked for them, I used the street guide a total of about 3 times, and 2 of those 3 times, the road I was looking for actually WAS in my GPS system, but I wasn't having any luck locating it because of the way they entered it in their database. (You run into things like a street being spelled out as one long word on the street sign, yet entered in a GPS database as two words with a space between them.)

Regardless, the two things are totally different tools. A road atlas or street guide may show you where all the streets run, but it does nothing for showing where YOU are in relation to those streets. You usually have to study the map BEFORE you start driving, and memorize the turns you need to make in advance. If you miss a turn, you're likely to drive pretty far out of your way looking for the next street before you think "Hmmm.... wonder if I've gone too far?" A GPS will never let that happen.

A GPS also has thousands of "points of interest" stored in it, so you can ask it for directions to physical places that probably aren't published on your printed map at all.

Lastly, GPS units like the Navigon I use have traffic warning capabilities, as well. It downloads data from a sub-carrier signal broadcast on FM radio stations, and correlates it with whatever route it generates for me. So if I'm going to hit a traffic jam due to an overturned truck on the highway ahead, for example, it warns me and lets me plot a new course around it. Not perfect, but does your road atlas do that at ALL?

 

just ordered the double-din screen mount thats listed earlier in this thread, plan is to integrate an aftermarket car-puter on the top screen and retain my factory nav in the bottom screen.

lol

steve

 

Heh, maybe I'm a freak... but I went to Los Angeles for the first time a couple years back.
I found the route to my hotel on google maps and I figured out what highway to use to get to San Diego, and other than that, I found my way all over LA without resorting to a map, atlas or GPS.

Granted, I got off the freeway too early and drove right through the middle of Compton, but I looked like a Columbian drug lord at the time so no one shot at me... hell, they didn't even glare at me.

 

eh Comptons WAAAY overrated... its pretty funny at night but otherwise its typical big city street crime.

I did two tours with some "real mother ****in' g's" lol or whatever... I'd like to admit my boys were reformed and wouldnt go back to a life of crime after the Army but some of the stories lol.

 

When it comes down to it, GPS is just a luxury item. No one actually needs it, but it's nice to have. Then we get to the whole debate between in-dash versus portable navs which is a whole another story.

 

GPS = More weight

 

i had the parts guys and service master at honda tell me that i couldnt install a 1999-2000 (slight facelift ) front end onto a 96-98 civic.

you can

i had the parts guys and service master also tell me the 99-2000 climate controls wouldnt fit or work. ever

they do fit, and can work with all the parts.

so dont believe the parts guys. all they do is look at parts screens.

 

Excuse me... you are judging all parts people based on your one experience at a HONDA service department?

I beg to differ with you. I am out in the shop just as much as I am "looking at parts screens". I don't rely solely on the information in the diagrams, because many times the diagrams are not correct. Some people like to know all they can about their jobs instead of just giving customers the easiest answer. I've never bullshitted you guys, I give you information that is accurate to the best of my knowledge, otherwise I don't post it as fact.

I am trying to save you the headache of spending thousands only to realize that this is WAY more trouble than it's worth. It's not retrofittable, as in swap and few parts and be plug and play. It will require custom dash work, custom wiring, etc if you don't want to buy the thousands of dollars in parts it will take to make it look factory, voiding your warranty in the process.

If you want to blow all that money, be my guest. Nobody is stopping you. All I'm doing is trying to provide you with the best information I can and some of you still try to act like I'm just blowing smoke up your ass.

Do whatever you want, I'm not arguing about it anymore. I'm sick of the multiple threads about this subject, it's a dead horse already. Learn how to use the search button.

 

yeah very well said if i was insulting you.

which I wasn't

so your telling me, ANY parts guy will know interchangable parts per year, that are NOT listed in your parts system interchange list?

your telling me its that easy, that you can tell that the 1993-97 integra rear trailing arms, and brake lines, and everything else, bolts onto a 96-2000 civic chassis?

so before you come back in here telling me you have training, and your a car guy.

great, i have many friends in the parts departments at many dealerships. im not putting them down, or you.

but i have, and did explain a instance with a BAD one.

the point of my post was for this thread and any others.

listening to parts guys to tell you what will work and wont is not the way to find out the info you want.

you have to search it yourself, so i am agreeing with you on that part daydreamer

and i dont want to buy the nav gear..... i was just explaining that he should do the research and figure it out. otherwise he needs to wait for someone else to be brave enough to do it.

so once again this forum ****en EXPLODES with anger without really reading a post.

you guys are a bunch of sandy vaginas

 

so your telling me, ANY parts guy will know interchangable parts per year, that are NOT listed in your parts system interchange list?

No, what I'm saying is that a parts guy that is good at their job and has the ability to think outside the box (or the screen, in this case) will be able to tell you that information whether it's on the interchange list or not.

A good parts guy will tell you that he doesn't know if he doesn't know, instead of THINKING that he knows and telling you yes or no without knowing it as fact.

A good parts guy will draw on past experience, information that they have available to them both in the parts diagrams as well as the service manuals, and knowledge of others more experienced than they are, instead of just telling you what the easiest answer is for them because they don't want to go the extra mile to find out what the correct answer is.

so before you come back in here telling me you have training, and your a car guy.

I do have Hyundai training, and I'm a car girl, not a car guy. I have survived severals rounds of layoffs, 3 general managers and an ownership change. They don't want to get rid of me because I take pride in knowing what I'm talking about and giving customers not just answers, but CORRECT answers.

the point of my post was for this thread and any others.

Likewise, this was not aimed at just you, but everybody who continually asks about this subject even though there are numerous other threads with exactly the same information.

listening to parts guys to tell you what will work and wont is not the way to find out the info you want.

you have to search it yourself, so i am agreeing with you on that part daydreamer

Anyone who is modifying/working on their own car should strive to find out as much information as they can on their own. However, one of those sources could be asking others which could very well include parts people. Gathering as much information as you can so you can make an informed decision on your own is the best way to go.

so once again this forum ****en EXPLODES with anger without really reading a post.

I did read your post, several times actually. And this is frustration, not anger.

 

GPS is not a necessity. But man.. it sure is convenient.

Sure, I can use a road map to find my way around a new town. I can even pull over and ask someone where the nearest Burger King is.

I can also adjust my side mirrors manually, unlock my doors with the actual key and pull the garage door up and down every time I need to get in/out. But I don't.

Point is, if someone wants the factory nav, they want it and they're willing to spend the money. No reason to tell them that it's pointless and they can do everything a nav does with a map.

 

Wow, this thread is still going? If GPS is a "Must Have" then just get a garman and be done with it.

 

Garmins are clunky.... Get a magellan maestro.... damn, that thing will do everything i need, and too much more... its never led me astray... even when i intentionally turn the wrong way, that soothing voice just tells me, "When possible, make a legal u-turn" :rofl: :fleshbox:

 

Indeed, according to Navteq drivers with navigation spend 18% time less on the road (an avg 4 days per year) and 21% less fuel than people without:

NAVTEQ study shows traffic-enabled navigation saves drivers four days a year