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#1 ·
Pulley set

Hello All

would like to know if anyone has installed a pulley set on their coupe, have a 2014 premium and I am looking for a pulley set, seen a lot of stuff for the V6 but 2.0T is harder to find.

Thank you
 
#6 ·
hmm will probly create unwanted vibration internally in the engine shortening the life of your engine, not worth it, sure it will rev faster on neutral and on paper it sounds good but on the streets it won't make a difference its not your heavy pulley that makes you slow its just the fact its a 2.0 engine in a 3500 lbs car, wan't more power get more boost or do an engine build, put the car on a diet or sale it for something else
 
#7 ·
Pulley



Good point on the vibration case but if they sell them as "performance parts" I figure they would be balanced to remove any vibration at least up to a certain rev. Guess will have to ask the supplier before.

Thanks for the input
 
#8 · (Edited)
does is state that it comes with an harmonic balancer?

If not, then move on.


If you think that "I put part on, then race car" then you should also be aware that race cars are torn down and rebuilt after every event. :p

An harmonic balancer is used to dampen vibrations from combustion. There is an explosion that happens every half turn of the crank.
On 4 bangers, besides oil, it's crucial to crank and piston bearing life.
 
#10 ·
We do have these types of rumors creep up from time to time. The 2.0T (as well as the 3.8) are internally balanced. These pulleys have been out for years without a single issue. They are better balanced than the OEM crank pulley, which comes more into play in higher output applications.

What is most important is using a quality brand that is perfectly balanced as an off balance pulley from an inferior brand could lead to issues. Unorthodox does not have these issues. They are extremely light and perfectly balanced. You will be amazed when you hold your factory crank in your hand next to these. There is a reason why not a single customer has had an issue with these pulleys to date! :grin:

Please feel free to contact us or Unorthodox directly should you have any additional questions.
 
#11 ·
I've had 3 friends have, their engines not run as good as they did from the factory because of pulleys.
Nissan 2003 Sentra SE-R
Subaru SVX
Honda prelude

All with the engine balanced and rebuilt with $3k sunk into just the engine, prior to installing pulleys back in like 05 - 07. (stillen, mugen GFB)

This is even after an addition $100 on machining/balancing the kits by it self.

If you don't understand harmonics, then...
combustion drives piston down
combustion = explosion
It's like hitting the piston with a hammer.

What does metal do when you hit it? It rings
ringing/sound through metal = all attached metal components also vibrates.

What lessens vibration? Dampening
are there ANY form or dampening between piston, conrods, and crank? no

What is used for dampening? A harmonic balancer.
Why isn't there a form of dampening on the other end?
Because the harmonic balancer on one end works with the fly wheel/flex plate to dampen.

Why would auto manufacturers spend MORE money by stamping, welding and boring/machining it and injection molding rubber into it, when they can just stamp out a pulley?
Because they don't want complaints about reliability, over a supposedly simple part, that can wear out an engine faster.

There is a reason why this form of dampening has been around on engines for YEARS.

So if unless you have some magical piston engine where opposing combustions cycles cancels out each other's harmonics, then you're going to need a harmonic balancer.
 
#12 ·
So you've had 3 freinds that didn't have their engines runs as good as stock because of pulleys.

Unorthodox Racing products have been used by tens of thousands of customers since 1997. Street end users have accumulated trillions of miles with UR pulleys. Race teams have accumulated millions of hours from drag strip to road course to rally to drift. The founder has used solid crank pulleys on small displacement engines since 1993. The founders brother in law was employed as an engine durability engineer by Honda in their Ohio engine factory during the 1996-00 D Series & 1994-97 F Series development and on going testing. We know first hand from our own testing, the direct OE experience, trillions of street miles driven and millions or race hours that the stock crank pulleys are for NVH suppression only. NVH is audible engine noise heard within the occupant compartment by the occupants.

Why did they engines you talk about not run right? What were the machining tolerances of those engines before and after the rebuild? What was the balance of the engines before and after rebuild. Blue printing is not good enough. Honda engines satring in the early 90's were 0 gram balanced. Were balance shafts removed? What replacement components were used? What were the builders credentials? Was forced induction or nitrous part of the mix? What ECU was used? Who did the tuning? and on and on? $3K sounds like a very basic rebuild. A truly built engine would cost double that.

Subaru itself has said many times that there is no harmonic damper on their engines. Heck even Porsche jumped on the band wagon of solid crank pulleys with the GT3 starting with the 997.

Honda has made solid crank pulleys for almost all models directly from the factory in many global markets. The Integra & Civic Type R had a solid single belt steel crank pulley as a factory option in almost all markets but the US

There is no such thing as a harmonic balancer, it is a made up word used by people who don't know or understand the what that term means. You cannot harmonically balance an engine, the active damping necessary would be so cost prohibitive it would make the engine unbuildable.

A harmonic damper is the right term. A harmonic damper is only necessary for non-flat plane V8 engines. Almost every production V8 ever made except for a few some may know like the TVR Cerbera and most recently the late model Mustang Shelby GT350.

A harmonic damper must be interference fit (very tight press fit, even heated and pressed on) to the crank snout to function properly in its role as a damper. No engine UR makes pulleys for have an interference fit stock crank pulley. END OF STORY.

As explained earlier auto manufacturers have spent billions on reduction of NVH. Honda in their testing during the 1990's, which the founders brother in law was involved in, tested dozens of NVH crank pulleys for audible noise characteristics. Not one of those crank pulleys had any effect on the long term durability and output of the engines tested, including B & H Series engines. Look at the stock intake or exhaust. Full of baffels and resonators to eliminate NVH. Many factories bolt little rubberized weights to the chassis and engine to help suppress noise.

There are no facts to support the scare mongering, this is a lingering bad joke/urban legend that has been fueled by people who insist on trying to make power without following the rules of engine bullet proofing, using inferior quality of parts or work then wondering why they have failures. If we had a dollar for every time we've heard someone start up an engine and snap rev it off the rev limiter or cold start and drive away hard or stop after hard driving and shut down the engine we'd be rich.

Poor tuning is the other major problem as improper tuning leads to detonation which will cause damage to pistons, rings, valves, rods and bearings. So when you bolt that turbo or S/C onto your NA engine you had better be really sure you've got the right ECU and the right Tuner. For stock turboed or SC guys the canned tunes are not all they are cracked up to be, luckily for many the sensors are getting faster which is helping to minimize damage but over time it will catch up wth you.

Domestic damper makers are also trying to marketing spin and scare tactic end users into buying their dampers, which are adapted from V8 engine dampers to fit on these smaller engines. These adapted dampers are over weight, not only in effective weigh but non-effective weight, causing excessive load on the front portion of the engine. The extra weight acts like a hammer pounding away at the internals and the crank snout which wasn't designed for the additional weight. Not to mention they cost twice as much as UR solid crank pulley. Makes sense spend more money for an unnecessary damper that is heavier, leading to less power and hurt the crank snout and the internals to boot.
 
#13 · (Edited)
Who calls it a harmonic balancer?

ASE does (mechanic certification organization)

Page 24

https://www.ase.com/medialibrary/images/ase-glossary---test-center-version.pdf

Are you familiar with SVX's? It has a non square bore/stroke ratio.

Is this a H-4 or H-6 engine?
I did state this in my last post
So if unless you have some magical piston engine where opposing combustions cycles cancels out each other's harmonics, then you're going to need a harmonic balancer.
the 2.0T is a inline-4, meaning that besides a single piston engine, the time between combustions have the most time for those vibrations RESONATE. The balancer is on there for a reason, and it's not for limiting RPM or engine load.

It's less so on engine with more cylinders. I posted on this topic many moons ago. feel free to search, because I'm not stating this to back peddle.


And they way those 3 friends figured out it was the pulley, was because they all put on the stock pulleys. (trying to find the stock pulley for an SVX back in 05 was a PITA).
Edit: they only replaced the crank pulley.


Anyways the same shop built their engines (which I forgot to mention, advised against the pulley)
Built this

260z with a RB26DETT, upgraded turbos and a 9 inch rear end
(aero sucked on first gen Zcars. Like pushing a brick through water)

 
#14 ·
To try to inject a little humor here "You can put lip stick on a pig but its still a pig."

We are not surprised by ASE's improper use of term. This has been going on for decades and its not likely to change as its just a self perpetuating error. Even the factories use the wrong terms in their manuals, which for the most part are written by outside writers/publishers .

The bore and stroke combination is irrelevant unless you are talking about a diesel, which does require a harmonic damper.

By the way the stock SVX crank pulley is the same as every other Subaru engine. Subaru used that crank pulley from 1991 up until recently on all its 4 and 6 cylinder engines.

The only common denominator here is that all three engines were built at the same shop.
 
#15 ·
Thanks for always providing your expertise UR. I cannot speak highly enough about their knowledge of crank pulleys -- we've always mentioned that anyone who has questions on these is more than welcome to reach out to Unorthodox with their questions. They are truly experts.

There have been rumors on these for years, these pulleys have been out for both platforms now for some time (The v6 for over 3 years). We haven't had a single issue. We of course recommend always running a quality pulley like Unorthodox on your vehicle over cheaper products that could cause issues from not being designed/made properly.

Here's some additional pictures we took at a customer request this past week with more to come out of editing :grin:

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#16 · (Edited)
Late response. Was working in the arctic circle :p

the fact stated that the crank is fully balanced is wrong.
It's semi-balanced

Ask
Beyond redline
Manley
Wiseco

and other pistons manufacturers and other people that actually had their crank balanced. Even the evo 4b11 isn't fully balanced.

Unless you've stripped down the block and actually looked at it, you shouldn't say anything. And yes, I have stripped down 2 G4KF, one to rebuild

http://www.gencoupe.com/2-0t-discussion-2008-2012/85327-hyundai-genesis-coupe-engine-build.html

EDIT:
and for your information, the EZ30/EZ36 in the tribeca is based off of the EG33 in the SVX, and were not fully balanced. It's an alternate firing 6 cylinder. Meaning only 1 cylinder fires at a time.